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As a non-believer, you have concluded the universe is not designed. You attribute the appearance of design to illusion and based on that your conclusions. Your perception supports your conclusion....how circular.As a believer, you have concluded the universe is designed. You perceive design in and of the universe based on that conclusion. Your perception supports your conclusion.
How circular.
As a non-believer, you have concluded the universe is not designed. You attribute the appearance of design to illusion and based on that your conclusions. Your perception supports your conclusion....how circular.
As a non-believer, you have concluded the universe is not designed. You attribute the appearance of design to illusion and based on that your conclusions. Your perception supports your conclusion....how circular.
Actually, in my case it's:
I don't know if it is designed, I don't see any reason why somebody would claim it is designed. You claim it is designed. Please provide evidence.
This is not circular. This is simply rejecting an unsuported claim, that hasn't provided any evidence.
Not at all. My conclusions are tentative, based on the evidence at hand, and subject to change with new information. I am not arguing from a position of infallibility.
I do not (nor do you) have access to other universes that would allow me to determine design for this one.
Someone who knows more about it please correct me if I am in error but as I understand the concept of a multiverse is strictly speculative right now. A very interesting idea but with no empirical evidence right now.Fine, that is a valid position for someone to have when no other evidence for an intelligent designer has been given. The only problem with it is that the multiverse explanation just puches the design back farther and does nothing to explain it at all.
As a non-believer, you have concluded the universe is not designed. You attribute the appearance of design to illusion and based on that your conclusions. Your perception supports your conclusion....how circular.
Someone who knows more about it please correct me if I am in error but as I understand the concept of a multiverse is strictly speculative right now. A very interesting idea but with no empirical evidence right now.
Keep in mind that the appearance of "fine tuning" is not the same as there actually being directed fine tuning. It could be just what some see in the pattern of the universe. It may be just the way God made the universe with no fine tuning necessary. Again I suspect God made us for his universe and not the other way around.
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I don't know if it is designed or not, but I do reject the idea that this design is an intelligent one
Do you know what factors are involved in fine tuning of the universe?
OK, but that is not what I asked.I know there are forces in the universe that are completely irrelavent to maintaining life that exist anyways.
OK, but that is not what I asked.
Do you mean apart from your imagination?
What fine tunes the amount of water that fills a hole in the road? amazingly the designer never seems to overfill them.
I know the basics of what life as we know it needs to develop and survive, yes. Not all that uncommon actually, despite most of the universe still being inhospitable
I am not positing any multiverse concepts.Fine, that is a valid position for someone to have when no other evidence for an intelligent designer has been given. The only problem with it is that the multiverse explanation just puches the design back farther and does nothing to explain it at all.
No, I am talking about the extreme precise measurements of everything about the universe.
Tell us about these factors, and what options were available to this "intelligent designer" of yours.Do you know what factors are involved in fine tuning of the universe?
The universe isn't consistent enough to have precise measurements
I am not positing any multiverse concepts.
Do you concede that your reasoning is circular?
The universe isn't consistent enough to have precise measurements
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