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A point that remains unsubstantiated. You have no data to support the possibility that the universe was designed, as you have no access to other universes.
Psalm 102:25 Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens are the work of thy hands.
Psalm 143:5 I remember the days of old; I meditate on all thy works; I muse on the work of thy hands.
Sounds designed to me.
The data to support the possibility of design is a well accepted scientific consensus based on the values of this universe and life in it.
There are some points to address here:
1) the universe is not set up to ensure life will arise - the parameters are such that life is possible given the right conditions. Given out current knowledge those conditions are fairly tight.
2) why does the universe show design? To prove this you would need to show that without a designer the laws, rules and constants would have been different.
The data to support the possibility of design is a well accepted scientific consensus based on the values of this universe and life in it. Your lack of understanding of the fine tuning observations leads you to believe that other universes are needed to make those determinations when they are not.
IF you wish to claim that other universes are needed please support that claim.
Yes, but for some reason you keep mentioning the appearance of design as if it matters despite this
The reality is that scientists describe it as an appearance of fine tuning.
Where is your evidence that any designer did the tuning?
When someone wins the lottery, do you consider the results tuned to that winner?
The same applies to a designer. Where are the meta-laws that created the realm that houses the designer?
Your entire argument rests on the assumption that nature couldn't have produced our universe, therefore God.
Nice drawing.
Haeckel is alive and well on Planet Earth, isn't he?
Baseless assertion.
All you have are the devious use of semantics to make it appear as if you have an argument. I know many lawyers that would be jealous of your misdirection.
You have already conceded that claims of 'design' are unfalsifiable due to the lack of access to other universes.
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Backpedaling?
According to most astrophysicists the universe has an appearance of design . . .
Meaning that they are "set" or "fixed" to the life permitting values as if they were designed in that way.
My claim which is based on this is that this appearance that the values were set for fixed giving the appearance of a fixer or designer lends support to the possibility of design.
I am not claiming actual design.
The argument comes from scientists that have researched the universe and claimed the fine tuning of it.
It is not semantics and your inability to understand that you are not arguing against me personally but very well educated astrophysicists/physicists and cosmologists and they have their data to back them where you just have denial and a non-theist agenda.
Every time you say that appearance supports actual design, you are making that claim.
Once's position is; the appearance of design, supports design and then she goes on to say; I am not claiming the universe is designed.
So, if the appearance of design supports design, wouldn't the absence of verifiable objective evidence of a God, support that there is no God?
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