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How is it evasion? Was the question too hard?And this folks is a perfect example of evasion.
Inability to find evidence of a designer.That goes both ways. What solid boundaries do you base non-design on?
Is a human complex? Is a Boeing 777 complex?
Folks love to evade the complexity issue.
How am I evading it?
You're the one who claims that complexity implies design.
Which is more complex, a Boeing 777 or a snowstorm? Please state your reasons for the choice you make.
I am going with the snowstorm as more complex because it requires more information than the Boeing 777 to describe everything that is going on in detail.
Which one is designed and which one came about by naturalistic processes?
How is it evasion? Was the question too hard?
I told you which one I thought was more complex and even told you why I thought so.
Are you unable to determine if a Boeing 777 is more complex than a snowstorm?
If you cannot tell which is more complex then how can you use complexity as an indicator of design?
Does complexity EVER imply design?
Depends on the circumstances surrounding "EVER". However, complexity itself does not guarantee design. What I type below is not complex yet it is surely designed, but a snowstorm, which is very complex, is not designed.
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You're into full evasion mode.
Once again, does complexity EVER imply design?
Not by itself, however, if combined with other information, it can contribute to that conclusion.
If you were to examine a Boeing 777 you wouldn't conclude a designer?
I would, but not based on complexity at all.
When you observed the complexity that wouldn't mean anything to you?
Is a snowstorm complex?
Is a snowstorm designed or does it happen through naturalistic processes?
Is a snowstorm more complex than the number "2"?
Is the number "2" designed or does it happen through naturalistic processes.
You could recognize that it MAY be designed but you could not SHOW that it is designed.
If it is not necessary, then the presence of regularity isn't necessarily a hallmark of design.
Intense study as you can see by reading the article I linked you to and, possibly reading the references provided in that article.
Nope. Not in and of itself. Complexity + object of metal
Some might base design on that, but given how few professionals in that field are religious and how many are strait up atheist, I doubt you can claim there is any consensus for design in physics. And stating that the universe looks designed once again is meaningless.
We can't unfortunately compare ourselves with life we know not to be designed, given I suppose the possibility we ourselves are designed so we can't base it on any life we observe on our planet, but we can compare ourselves to life we know is designed. And that sort of life and us don't match up.
Might I suggest you address the questions I was asking first.
As a major point though, I am not sure science is describing all current cells as more complex that earlier cells. That is something that needs to be determined before this particular discussion can go any further.
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I was just going off of any interpretation of complexity I could think of. Our brains really are the only remotely exceptional traits of our species, so by any means you can define complex, I can name forms of life that would exceed humans in that aspect; especially in regards to the directly physical.
We really don't have the first cell so we don't have a direct comparison now do we? So complex to you would mean more specialized parts?
It is the arbitrary comparison between ancient cell fossils and modern ones that defines it that way. Personally, I view complexity always to be a matter of comparison, with nothing really just being inherently complex or simple without having it compared to something else.
So by what do you measure the physical? Can cheetahs walk on two legs? IF they did would they be able to run as fast? How can you determine their speed is more complex than our walking on two legs?
Would like an answer to this Sarah.
Complex on a whole, or just various parts? Because I can name creatures that exceed our complexity overall as well as in individual aspects, so long as it isn't our brains.
I did answer it already, maybe you missed the post?
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