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And this folks is a perfect example of evasion.
How is it evasion? Was the question too hard?

I told you which one I thought was more complex and even told you why I thought so.
Are you unable to determine if a Boeing 777 is more complex than a snowstorm?

If you cannot tell which is more complex then how can you use complexity as an indicator of design?
 
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Is a human complex? Is a Boeing 777 complex?

Folks love to evade the complexity issue.



Now, again, instead of evading the questions.

Is a human complex?

Is a 777 complex?
 
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Does complexity EVER imply design?

Depends on the circumstances surrounding "EVER". However, complexity itself does not guarantee design. What I type below is not complex yet it is surely designed, but a snowstorm, which is very complex, is not designed.

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You're into full evasion mode.

Once again, does complexity EVER imply design?
 
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Is a snowstorm complex?
Is a snowstorm designed or does it happen through naturalistic processes?

Are naturalistic processes not designed? If no, how do you know?
Is a snowstorm more complex than the number "2"?

Is the number "2" designed or does it happen through naturalistic processes.

Is the number 2 not a symbol that represent a number that corresponds to objects? Is 2 more likely to be naturally occurring than this: “if A then B”, A -> B, and p(B|A) = 1
You could recognize that it MAY be designed but you could not SHOW that it is designed.

So it is fair to say that we can recognize design without being able to show that something is designed? Even those things that we can most certainly believe to be so?

If it is not necessary, then the presence of regularity isn't necessarily a hallmark of design.

I would say that is probably true. Yet, there are things that the regularity is part of the hallmark of design...such as a watch.
Intense study as you can see by reading the article I linked you to and, possibly reading the references provided in that article.

My point was that there was an appearance of design or there would be no reason to go to the lengths they did to determine it. They were searching and investigating if that appearance of design was actual or not. It seems clear that an appearance of design can be clearly interpreted by scientists. It was then investigated "quite extensively" before determining if it was designed or not. It could have just as likely been a designed element as well with scientists finding that it was a ancient path or wall now under water. Before investigating it the possibility of design was present due to the appearance of design. Thus, the appearance of design supports the notion of design and brings us to a reasonable conclusion that the appearance could possibly be actual design.
 
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That is just what I was saying, the professionals regardless of their own religious views claim the universe does indeed appear designed. I never once have claimed that there is a consensus of actual design.


I am not talking about life. I never mentioned design of life. We are discussing the fine tuning of the universe. We have a history of designed materials to recognize them from things that are not. That is the basis for the agreement between the scientists in this field when they agree that the universe appears designed. They base design on something that appears to have an intent by an agent for a purpose.
 
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What?????
 
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So by what do you measure the physical? Can cheetahs walk on two legs? IF they did would they be able to run as fast? How can you determine their speed is more complex than our walking on two legs?
 
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We don't have a fossilized ancient cell that can be compared. We have a possible cell structure that give away no details about how simple or complex it is.

By the way, I hadn't seen this before asking you again to answer it.
 
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So by what do you measure the physical? Can cheetahs walk on two legs? IF they did would they be able to run as fast? How can you determine their speed is more complex than our walking on two legs?

Actually, bipedal walking is far more inefficient than quadrupedal walking. The benefits of walking on two legs is that it frees up the hands. Why do you think our species has such bad back and joint problems?

Cheetahs have a far more efficient muscle and lung system than humans do.

Bipedal movement isn't more complex than quadrupedal movement, it is just different.
 
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Complex on a whole, or just various parts? Because I can name creatures that exceed our complexity overall as well as in individual aspects, so long as it isn't our brains.

How do you do that when you can't determine complexity in a measurable way?
 
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