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When an analogy fails, don't simply repeat it.We don’t <snip>
Failure to shift the burden of evidence.If you can show that those values must be as they are for a reason then by all means present it. I am sure Science would applaud you. As it stands there is no reason why they could not have been different. Unless you can give a reason why they would by necessity be the way they are you are begging the question.
Yes, if you want to claim tunable "tuning" is falsifiable.So? We don't need other universes to compare.
He disagrees with you.You are begging the question.
George Ellis: “Physicists’ hope has always been that the laws of nature are inevitable – that things are the way they are because there is no other way they might have been—but we have been unable to show this is true. Other options exist, too. The universe might be pure happenstance—it just turned out that way. Or things might in some sense be meant to be the way they are—purpose or intent somehow underlies existence.”
String theory is unfalsifiable.Stephen Hawking has likewise concluded, on the basis of his work in string theory, that the constants and quantities did not have to be the way they are. He writes, “…[string theory] allows a vast landscape of possible universes…”
Stephen Hawking, Cosmology from the Top Down, 2003
I am not making the claim of necessity. Read the passage in context.Paul Davies writes, “…the physical universe does not have to be the way it is: it could have been otherwise.”
Paul Davies, The Mind of God, 1992, p. 169
But we lack evidence either way. Correct?It seems that the experts think that they could have been.
Opinion, as you have conceded. Your words from Post #625 "The "appearance" of design which some claim is not actual design is based on only opinion and no testing or observation has been done to determine the conclusion. The appearance of design or actual design conclusions are not based on scientific data or tested by scientific methodology. It is opinion."No, I said that actual design is an opinion. The appearance is based on the fact that the fine tuned values appear to be an intent of an agent for a purpose. There is a consensus within the scientific fields studying this phenomena agree that there is an appearance of intent of an agent for a purpose.
I agree with them. The appearance of design is an illusion.Do your own research. I've presented what the experts in the field claim about that, you can take it or leave it but then you would have to show why you don't agree and of course have some counter to show them wrong.
No, you are cherry-picking what you want from the opinions that run counter to the consensus.No, I did no such thing. I said that I do not have the education or skills to observe, experiment, or test but I can comprehend what those who are provide.
Your words: "The "appearance" of design which some claim is not actual design is based on only opinion and no testing or observation has been done to determine the conclusion. The appearance of design or actual design conclusions are not based on scientific data or tested by scientific methodology. It is opinion. "No they confirm fine tuning and the appearance of design which is exactly what I claimed.
Just not in any way that you can demonstrate.No, actually you are showing your ignorance on the subject and projecting.
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