dairy and hormones

[johndoo]

Have you all heard about the controversy about dairy consumption affecting human's hormones? Apparently small studies have shown dairy to affect both men and women. I've never been one to want to demonize food, but this has caused me to rethink and start to reduce dairy.
I looked it up a few weeks ago. If interested perhaps someone could link to the study.
They theorize this has something to do with the hormones that are given to milk cows to get better milk production.
Thoughts?

 

[Dairy]

I'm not sure if this is what you are looking for, but I've seen writes up on some dairy products effecting the hormone insulin, leading to health issues. A write up on that with links to a few studies.

"Dairy and Its Effect on Insulin Secretion (and What It Means for Your Waistline)"

On Dairy and Insulin | Mark's Daily Apple

 

[miss-a]

Bovine growth hormone is often given to cows to cause them to produce more milk. Its residues are found in many milk products and the drug can adversely effect humans. Additionally, the animals are under great stress once this hormone is administered. They are essentially producing more milk than their bodies can handle producing. As a result, the animals become sick. They are given drugs to treat their illnesses, and those drugs also show up in the milk. Essentially, we only want to use animal products from happy healthy animals, and BGH cows don't get much of a chance at either happiness or health. It's always best to choose organic dairy products to avoid BGH and other drug residues. However, you can also look for products that state on the label they are BGH-free.

 

[Bobinator]

It's more than just hormones. Lactose in milk is comprised of glucose and galactose. Galactose requires special enzymes that most people in adulthood no longer have. So instead, it becomes oxidized and transforms into galactaric acid, or mucic acid. Mucic acid binds with water molecules to form mucus in our bodies and keeps our white blood cells from doing their job. It also clogs our mucus pathways in our lungs and sinuses, allowing colds and infections to develop. Asthma is a problem for some, especially children. Cut out dairy, and most asthma cases get a lot better. Inner ear infections too.

If you noticed animals not drinking milk after being weaned, that's a good indication that milk is no longer beneficial for survival, and is probably not a good thing in adulthood either, not to mention drinking milk from another species that wasn't designed for us.

 

[Dairy]

Saw in news today that McDonalds was going to stop using milk products treated with the artificial growth hormone rBST.

McDonald's to Sell Antibiotic-Free Chicken Only?

 

[Ada Lovelace]

My friend's mom is a dermatologist who encourages her acne-prone patients to minimize their consumption of dairy because it can cause exacerbations. She's been giving this advice for years now, so it's not new-fangled.

From a purely anecdotal experience I've never had problems with acne and I've had a limited amount of dairy since beginning my teen years. There's so many non-dairy alternatives that I prefer. Cashew milk is my favorite.

 

[taxreliever]

Saw in news today that McDonalds was going to stop using milk products treated with the artificial growth hormone rBST.

McDonald's to Sell Antibiotic-Free Chicken Only?

They are constantly working on ways to bring back the growing segment of the market that is leaning toward healthy eating.

 

[single eye]

I was able to determine that the colds and sinus infections the bobinator mentions were being triggered by a chemical called carrageenan and switching to the non-dairy substitutes like Artemis reccomends only made them worse. Recently the producers of non-dairy products have stopped using carrageenan in their products so it is no longer going to be a concern. I have no issues whatsoever with raw milk from goats or cows but it is not available where I live at a price I can afford. Free-range chicken eggs, 3 a day, give me the calcium and vitamin D I need.

 

[DaisyDay]

If you're worried about calcium, eat spinach and kale.

 

[morse86]

Wow so many misfacts. In the US, it is illegal to give hormones to dairy cows.

Secondly, milk is biblical.

Exodus 33:3:
Unto a land flowing with milk and honey: for I will not go up in the midst of thee; for thou art a stiffnecked people: lest I consume thee in the way.

Don't listen to these "falsely so called" scientists (the bible warns about) and their weak correlation poorly peer reviewed scam articles. Look at how unbiblical the paleo diet is.

 

[JasonHarless]

There is a movement out to demonize dairy. Milk not only has calcium, but hormones thyroid and progesterone...naturally. Populations who drink a lot of milk are usually thinner; people who continuously drink milk have less likelihood of dementia. It is the cows that are fed a diet of grain and vegetable oils that have low quality and unhealthy meat (as the unsaturated oils accumulate) but the milk remains good. About the acne some people have, a change in source of dairy or change from low fat to full fat may help. Another possibility is the increased need for vitamin A.

 

[Ada Lovelace]

I was able to determine that the colds and sinus infections the bobinator mentions were being triggered by a chemical called carrageenan and switching to the non-dairy substitutes like Artemis reccomends only made them worse. Recently the producers of non-dairy products have stopped using carrageenan in their products so it is no longer going to be a concern. I have no issues whatsoever with raw milk from goats or cows but it is not available where I live at a price I can afford. Free-range chicken eggs, 3 a day, give me the calcium and vitamin D I need.

What worsens acne in some helps to alleviate it in others, and vice versa. Our age, gender, and other factors contribute to the clarity of our skin. What is a trigger to you will have no effect on someone else, and what triggers them might have no effect on you. I'm a teenage girl and you're a man in your 30s, so there are significant differences in factors contributing to clear skin and breakouts. The non-dairy milks I drink are all carrageenan-free.

I never made a recommendation to switch to non-dairy products, nor would I. Please reread my post, which has not been edited since it was written. I explained that "I've never had problems with acne, and I've had a limited amount of dairy since beginning my teen years. There's so many non-dairy alternatives that I prefer. Cashew milk is my favorite." It's actually not because of concerns over acne or nutritional needs that I eased out dairy from my diet just before my 13th birthday, which is why I used care to state that it was from purely anecdotal experiences.
I try to limit all animal products except honey as a matter of personal preference. I have a nutritionist who has worked with me, my parents, and my doctor for years to help me devise a healthy eating plan, and I have routine blood work to check all of my levels and ensure that I'm satisfying my nutritional needs.

As I wrote my friend's mom who is a dermatologist has recommended that her acne-prone patients minimize (not eliminate) dairy because it can (not a certainty) exacerbate acne. I'm sure she tailors advice specific to the patient. It's the higher GI of milk that can be more problematic. I've also read articles on Teen Vogue (hardly the site medical advice needs to be drawn from, but decent for age and gender specific skincare tips for me) about dairy consumption and acne, with heaps of comments about experiences. Maybe for dudes your age it's totally not an issue.

 

[Tina W]

That's why I only drink organic milk from cows not given hormones. Milk used to be healthy till they started feeding hormones to cows, but you can still get healthy milk by buying organic milk.

 

[single eye]

Artemis, Yes I did mischaracterize what you said by using the word "reccommends". As you suggested I re-read your post and you made it very clear that it was "anecdotal". I hate when people twist my words like that so please accept my apology. Getting enough vitamin D while avoiding carrageenan was very difficult, so it is important to me to make this clear to others. Thank you for bringing my error to my attention.

 

[Ada Lovelace]

Artemis, Yes I did mischaracterize what you said by using the word "reccommends". As you suggested I re-read your post and you made it very clear that it was "anecdotal". I hate when people twist my words like that so please accept my apology. Getting enough vitamin D while avoiding carrageenan was very difficult, so it is important to me to make this clear to others. Thank you for bringing my error to my attention.

That was a very thoughtful apology, and I'm happy to accept it. Thank you.

I commend you for being vocal about the importance of vitamin D and your own experiences with carrageenan. I actually saw my dermatologist a few days ago and popped back on here to amend what I wrote about almond milk because of the discussion I had with him. I was seeing him for treatment of my hands that were damaged from dance sports I do rather than acne, but we discussed diet quite extensively. With this thread in mind I did ask him about dairy and almond milk. He actually advised against both. He's more fanatically opposed to dairy, but he also cautioned me about almond milk. He said a handful of almonds was far superior. He didn't cite carrageenan as the reason for laying off it, though that doesn't mean it's not a valid one for you. I don't know if it's an acne trigger for everyone but he said it could cause breakouts in me. I've been drinking it periodically for years without a problem, but I think it's a potential one to be mindful about.

I think you might be right onto something about eggs. I've recently become a vegan and all my doctors are adamantly opposed, including the dermatologist. (The main reason being because they think I'm underweight). He's the one person I thought would agree with me, haha. He said it wasn't a beneficial lifestyle for your skin, either. Huh. He was encouraging me to go back to being a vegetarian at least (he actually tried to convince me to eat fish, but that I won't do it) and to eat eggs.

My vitamin D levels are stellar but you're also right that it's an issue for many. He had an info sheet for all patients about the importance of Vitamin D3 2000 IU per day. I took a snap of the top part of the sheet:

 

[single eye]

One big problem with any liguids sold for mass consumption is they have to be pasteurized. This also means that nutrients have to be added back in. Because of the bottom line the source of these nutrients is often the least expensive and easily available. What source our body prefers is usually not a consideration. Same goes for farmers who do not usually go the extra mile to replace trace minerals like zinc and selenium to the soil. I ran into carrageenan in my vitamin D supplement because it came in a gel-cap and carregeenan is used to make gelatin. Since eliminating all sources of carrageenan, I have had no cold/sinus issues whatsoever. I would love the opportunity to study what other symptoms may be caused by this chemical. Also, I was able to determine that the calcium put back into milk after pasteurization was the cause of chronic heartburn. I have been heartburn and cold/sinus issue free for almost 5 years now.

 

[Maka]

Wow so many misfacts. In the US, it is illegal to give hormones to dairy cows.

False, bovine growth hormone has been injected into dairy cows in the United states since 1993. Thankfully Canada and many other countries did not approve it.

 

[theFijian]

Wow so many misfacts. In the US, it is illegal to give hormones to dairy cows.

Secondly, milk is biblical.

Exodus 33:3:
Unto a land flowing with milk and honey: for I will not go up in the midst of thee; for thou art a stiffnecked people: lest I consume thee in the way.

Don't listen to these "falsely so called" scientists (the bible warns about) and their weak correlation poorly peer reviewed scam articles. Look at how unbiblical the paleo diet is.

So people who are gluten and lactose intolerant are unbiblical?