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Penumbra

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Yeah, but then when money is spent researching diseases and defects, people get yelled at for animal testing or killing embryos.

I think in some ways you're selecting certain aspects of these holy books and ignoring others.

Jesus mentions abandoning people who abandon him, being burned in fire, being bound hand and foot and thrown out into the darkness, and so forth. The Qur'an mentions boiling water getting poured on the heads of people. Krishna in the Bhagavad Gita encourages Arjuna to kill his enemies, and although some people such as Gandhi interpret that as a metaphor, I don't think that's how it was implied when written. I mean, Krishna even goes so far as to say that the people he kills have eternal souls and so won't really die, which to me implies he wasn't speaking metaphorically.

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None of the above actually address the premises and how they might be faulty. The only way to invalidate my argument is to do so. I'm sure you remember this from any logic class you might have taken.

Please point out the error in the premises, or accept the conclusion.

But God does not act in society. Try again.

Disregarding all the Christians that say your God actually does intervene in human affairs (act in society), God's willful creation of suffering (actually the Bible says "evil", but I've never liked the term) is an effect on society. So I'm correct.

That would be when that person share a responsibility. You can't claim ignorance now. You have been informed. You just don't like the standard set. One much higher than anything man can think up.

I have no idea what you're talking about. What standard set? And what would I be claiming ignorance about?

You state God wants suffering - god caused suffering therefore God wants suffering. Just because you add a few lines agreeing to omniscience and omnipotence and call it a supported argument.

Yep. God does what he most desires. If God creates suffering then God desires it. And is culpable for it. It's pretty simple.

If you have an objection with it, find fault with the premises.


So Adam and Eve weren't created with the propensity to never choose to cause suffering. That's what I said.

God could have done so without affecting free will (unless you deny omnipotence), but he did not. So God desired the fall, desired the suffering.

Descisions have consequence. You want to remove that consequence even if the consequence affects others that we care for.

Not sure what you're talking about here. I'll ask again...

Why didn't God create our bodies (and for that matter, all living creatures) to withstand all damage, to not feel pain, to not become decrepit, etc?
 
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