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AHJE said:Here are 5 more Cross-references between the Deuterocanonical books and the New Testament:
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* Matthew 24:16. Let those "flee to the mountains" is taken from 1 Maccabees 2:28.
* Matthew 27:43. If He is God's Son, let God deliver him from His adversaries follows Wisdom 2:18.
* Mark 4:5, 16-17. Jesus' description of seeds falling on rocky ground and having no root follows Sirach 40:15.
* Mark 9:48. Jesus' description of hell, where "worm does not die and the fire is not quenched," references Judith 16:17.
* Luke 1:42. Elizabeth's declaration of Mary's blessedness follows Uzziah's declaration in Judith 13:18.
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Source: [The Biblical Basis for the Catholic Faith, John Salza, pgs. 228-229]
Praised be the Holy Spirit, the Primary Author of the Deuterocanonical books!
Nice try, but no medals!
Oz
When I meet my Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ, for assessment of my life, I'm pleased it won't be the Magisterium of the Church that judges me.Well, ... its a good thing that you are not one of the judges ... the Magisterium of the Church is.
The Holy Spirit says it is better than silver and gold. It is the imperishable word of God. (see 1 St. Peter 1:23, 18)
ALLELUIA!
I praise the Lord that his Word, Scripture, has revealed this to us and not the opinion of any human being.knowing that you were ransomed from the futile ways inherited from your forefathers, not with perishable things such as silver or gold (1 Peter 1:18 ESV).
AHJE said:Well, ... its a good thing that you are not one of the judges ... the Magisterium of the Church is.
The Holy Spirit says it is better than silver and gold. It is the imperishable word of God. (see 1 St. Peter 1:23, 18)
ALLELUIA!
The "Magisterum of the church" has formally defined these "cross-references"?
Not that it matters one iota if it did for the purposes of this thread. You set out to prove the deuterocanon through cross-references. To drop back to an appeal to the RCC Magisterum is to concede that you can't do what you set out to do.
But can someone answer the question that actually matters--
What essential doctrines do we (or should we) accept BECAUSE they are revealed to us only in the Apocrypha?
By definition, "Revelation" reveals something. If it is argued that the Apocryphal books are part of God's revelation, i. e. Scripture, WHAT IS IT that is revealed there and is not available elsewhere in the Bible?
Can you answer your own question with respect to the Book of Philemon in the New Testament?
Of course something is being revealed ... the contents of the Book itself. Are you creating this criteria? Because if so how does it apply to the Book of Philemon?
God bless you.
How about a few more?A few vaguely related (but actually different) words don't constitute a cross-reference!<snip>
Your question is in error. I will ask you, is the moon made of bleu cheese or limburger? No answer, huh?But can someone answer the question that actually matters--
What essential doctrines do we (or should we) accept BECAUSE they are revealed to us only in the Apocrypha?
By definition, "Revelation" reveals something. If it is argued that the Apocryphal books are part of God's revelation, i. e. Scripture, WHAT IS IT that is revealed there and is not available elsewhere in the Bible?
You wish to toss out the Book of Job, then? How about Song of Solomon? What in your opinion is revealed in Song of Solomon that would be lost if it were not included?Is that your way of saying that you don't know of any doctrine? Go ahead and name one that is from the Apocrypha and not indicated elsewhere in scripture.
Catholics argue long and arrogantly about these books being in the Bible. So...what do they give us that would be lost if they were not included?
If they don't reveal anything that we must have, they obviously are not revelation.
You wish to toss out the Book of Job, then? How about Song of Solomon? What in your opinion is revealed in Song of Solomon that would be lost if it were not included?
AHJE said:If you really think this, ebia, then I don't think that you are comprehending the OP. Please read it again.
OP said:The following is a list proving that there are connections between the Deuterocanonical books (which are the Word of God) and the New Testament:
I note that you ignored the other part of my post.
AHJE said:Exactly ... proving that there are connections between the Deuterocanonical books and the New Testament.
What the Magisterium (the Teaching Authority given by Christ) of the Church has defined is that these books are Canonical
even as the SAME Magisterium has defined that the 27 books of the New Testament are Canonical.
God bless you.
Is that your way of saying that you don't know of any doctrine? Go ahead and name one that is from the Apocrypha and not indicated elsewhere in scripture.
Catholics argue long and arrogantly about these books being in the Bible. So...what do they give us that would be lost if they were not included?
If they don't reveal anything that we must have, they obviously are not revelation.
You wish to toss out the Book of Job, then? How about Song of Solomon? What in your opinion is revealed in Song of Solomon that would be lost if it were not included?
Wiggle, wiggle, wiggle...Those books are part of the Old Testament, and are not disputed. They are not part of the Apocrypha.
How about a few more?
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