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Creationists False on Key Point

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It may get fatter, longer, shorter, change colors, on and on
but it will always be a paramecium with an eye spot.


Hybridization has created new species in plants.
This disproves the notion that new species aren't possible.
 
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Sorry, evolution is scientific, and sticking one's head in the sand and declaring it is not will not change the facts. God made the stars, the rocks, and the genomes; we can trust what they have told us.
 
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Such 'species' are not new, and no more different
than breeds of dogs or cats from a common ancestor.

And yet you have ear wiggling muscles you probably can't even activate. They are mute witnesses of your direct descent, according to the flesh, from a species that could move its ears to good effect. And you have a coccyx. It is mute witness of your direct descent, according to the flesh, from a species with a tail. And you have a broken vitamin c gene you share with other primates. It is a mute witness of your direct descent from a common ancestral species with other primates.
 
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More importantly there is absolutely no conflict with our OBSERVED age of the universe and a literal 6 day creation!

Because time is relative based upon where it is observed.

Quite silly. A year is defined as an orbit of the earth around the sun. Did the earth orbit the sun billions of times since it was formed, or merely thousands? These questions are not equivalent and do not depend on "relative" time being "observed differently".
 
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Sorry, merely making declarative statements is not a logical or evidence based debate tactic.
 
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Some people can wriggle their ears and actively control
many other muscles that others never bother to try.
That means nothing but the fact that we no longer control
our bodies as Adam and early man could.

The coccyx: why is this still brought up? Nothing useful is
vestigial, that is pretty much the definition.

"The coccyx serves as an attachment site for tendons, ligaments, and muscles. It also functions as an insertion point of some of the muscles of the pelvic floor. The coccyx also functions to support and stabilize a person while he or she is in a sitting position."
http://www.healthline.com/human-body-maps/coccyx

As for vitamin-c, if the gene is broken from degenerating DNA,
and our DNA is so similar to that of apes, why is it surprising
that they would fail at the same place?
 
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Some people can wriggle their ears and actively control
many other muscles that others never bother to try.
That means nothing but the fact that we no longer control
our bodies as Adam and early man could.

Mere denial of the facts. We don't wiggle our ears because holding them steady is better . . . it allows phase analysis of incoming sounds to determine their direction, an improvement over mere ear pointing. But the muscles are vestigial.


The alledged usefulness of the coccyx is greatly exaggerated.

Here is a post from one mother to another about the consequences of a son without a coccyx. In summary, she points out from experience the coccyx isn't needed.


THen you posted this:

As for vitamin-c, if the gene is broken from degenerating DNA,
and our DNA is so similar to that of apes, why is it surprising
that they would fail at the same place?

It is surprising because a random break without something connecting them such as common ancestry is extremely unlikely to happen in the same way.
 
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It is surprising because a random break without something connecting them such as common ancestry is extremely unlikely to happen in the same way.

That is only if the break wasn't by design.
Part of the reason we no longer live past
120 years old because God ordered it.
Yes, the animals were affected too, in
various ways.
 
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