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Yeah, I know ... just like to argue ... not interested in spiritual things.
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Which is why I'm not asking for Bible quotes.
How does Hugh Ross say these things are specifically created? What is the process involved?
ALRIGHT! ALLL-RIGHT!This thread is to see if creationists have anything to offer.
Why shouldn’t scientists assume materialistic naturalism to do science. Science can only study natural phenomena. Philosophical naturalism is something else and believers don’t accept that but scientists and the scientifically literate don’t mix up the 2Since we can already modify genes....we'd have to recognize that God could of course, and more: we would expect He could do more/better than us.
(even under the assumptions of naturalism)
No, the scientifically literate just fuel airships with hydrogen (Hindenburg), vote instead of investigate (Challenger), demand safety checks be waived (Deepwater Horizon), or rush unfinished products into place (Florida footbridge).Philosophical naturalism is something else and believers don’t accept that but scientists and the scientifically literate don’t mix up the 2
Totally agree with all this.Why shouldn’t scientists assume materialistic naturalism to do science. Science can only study natural phenomena. Philosophical naturalism is something else and believers don’t accept that but scientists and the scientifically literate don’t mix up the 2
my understanding of the Big Bang is that a small dense something expanded and eventually became the current universe . Astronomers can see back to within a few million years after this happened so . I have no reason to quibble over a few creationist buzzwordsSo when scientists say the universe is "expanding," when God said it was "stretched", God can take a hike ... right?
You do know the difference, don't you?
Expanding comes from forces inside pushing outward.
Stretching comes from forces outside pulling.
those were engineering mistakes and ....?No, the scientifically literate just fuel airships with hydrogen (Hindenburg), vote instead of investigate (Challenger), demand safety checks be waived (Deepwater Horizon), or rush unfinished products into place (Florida footbridge).
No, they can't.Astronomers can see back to within a few million years after this happened ...
... products of scientificthose were engineering mistakes and ....?
No, they can't.
As I pointed out elsewhere, reverse-engineering the universe is a digital endeavor; not an analog one.
Too many gaps to hurdle.
"More information"?Suggest you defer to a believer that has more information on that.
"More information"?
"More information"!???
I'm talking about gaps in information.
People already think they know too much.
Engineers: "You know hydrogen burns, don't you? Why not use helium?"Brightmoon, what was the "mistake" with the Hindenburg?
Engineers: Oops! Did we put hydrogen in there!? We meant to use helium! Wrong valve!
Then what changed their minds? the Hindenburg disaster?Engineers: "You know hydrogen burns, don't you? Why not use helium?"
Airship owners: "Because hydrogen gives more lift and thus more profitable payloads. Besides, the Americans have all the helium and they won't sell us any because they don't like our Fuhrer Hitler."
Engineers: "OK, but don't say we didn't warn you."
After the Hindenburg disaster the Germans went out of the airship business altogether.Then what changed their minds? the Hindenburg disaster?
Because it is a useful fuel and safe if handled properly. There is a big difference between the seven million cubic feet of hydrogen in the Hindenburg and the ten gallons or so of the much less flammable gasoline in your car.Why do we still drive cars on gasoline then?
After the Hindenburg disaster the Germans went out of the airship business altogether.
So when scientists say the universe is "expanding," when God said it was "stretched", God can take a hike ... right?
You do know the difference, don't you?
Expanding comes from forces inside pushing outward.
Stretching comes from forces outside pulling.
There actually is evidence for God. However, the evidence is not found through empirical measurements. It is found through logic and putting together the pieces that science have already discovered. Advances in micro biology and organic chemistry have revealed that the possibility of the spontaneous generation of life is practically impossible. The advances in astronomy and astrophysics have revealed that the universe has a definite beginning which requires a supernatural cause. Even if every religion in the world were to be scientifically proven to be false, it still would require more faith to reject deism as a possibility.but that’s exactly the problem. There’s no DEFINITIVE evidence for God-did-it and scientists need that kind of verification to say that something is scientific. I’m a Christian and I would love it if scientists found this. They haven’t! And the only thing creationists seem to do is lie about what scientific research has already confirmed. Some of these creationist lies have been floating around for over a century.
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