Creationists cant answer....

[Steezie]

or if they can they certainly wont.

I've asked this question multiple times and no one has had the stones to step forward and try to answer this question.

How do Creationists account for or explain vestigial traits in the biological world?

If you want an explanation complete with examples
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vestigial

So why will the Creationists not answer this?

Im guessing because they dont have one

 

[Gremlins]

We have embedded age, why can't we have embedded evolution?

Oh God, I think I may just have created a monster.

 

[flatworm]

or if they can they certainly wont.

I've asked this question multiple times and no one has had the stones to step forward and try to answer this question.

How do Creationists account for or explain vestigial traits in the biological world?

If you want an explanation complete with examples
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vestigial

So why will the Creationists not answer this?

Im guessing because they dont have one

Actually, I predict the answer you will most commonly get is "The Fall".

As if Sin explained why, for instance, we have an internal tail and a degenerate cecum rather than, say, a third eye in the middle of our foreheads.

It's one of those "Stopthink" answers creationists are programmed with but aren't allowed to question any deeper.

 

[keith99]

Actually, I predict the answer you will most commonly get is "The Fall".

As if Sin explained why, for instance, we have an internal tail and a degenerate cecum rather than, say, a third eye in the middle of our foreheads.

It's one of those "Stopthink" answers creationists are programmed with but aren't allowed to question any deeper.

No, no, no. They are the work of the Devil. So not only are they not a problem for creationism, thye prove the Devil exists and impacts this world directly!

(I'm sooo glad this is on the net, I could naver say this with a straight face).

 

[LittleNipper]

or if they can they certainly wont.

I've asked this question multiple times and no one has had the stones to step forward and try to answer this question.

How do Creationists account for or explain vestigial traits in the biological world?

If you want an explanation complete with examples
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vestigial

So why will the Creationists not answer this?

Im guessing because they dont have one

The falicy is that we have organs and body parts that we could live better without. Yes, GOD has designed a body that can get by missing teeth, an eye, hearing, and an appendix, tonsils, gallbladder; however, the fact is that the healthy human body works far more efficently with them than without them. They are often the first line of defense in protecting other far less expendable organs... So there is your answer. We live in a fallen world with a dying body and GOD has allowed that body to conpensate for the imperfections.

 

[Steezie]

The falicy is that we have organs and body parts that we could live better without. Yes, GOD has designed a body that can get by missing teeth, an eye, hearing, and an appendix, tonsils, gallbladder; however, the fact is that the healthy human body works far more efficently with them than without them. They are often the first line of defense in protecting other far less expendable organs... So there is your answer. We live in a fallen world with a dying body and GOD has allowed that body to conpensate for the imperfections.

Problem is thats not actually true.

Most dentists state that wisdom teeth actually put you at GREATER risk for tooth decay as they are harder to reach with a toothbrush and are less often cleaned

Obviously with an appendix you are at a greater risk for appendicitis (A potentially lethal condition if un-treated) than someone without one.

A tonsillectomy doesnt seem to put anyone at greater risk of infection and decreases the chances of tonsillitis.

 

[Loudmouth]

The falicy is that we have organs and body parts that we could live better without.

How does the extensor coccygis improve the function or effeciency of the human body? The extensor coccygis is a muscle which spans the fused joints in the human coccyx. In other animals it lifts the tail. In humans . . . well, it just sits there spanning the distance between two bones it can never move.

 

[Vene]

How about the cecum in humans? It's between the large and small intestines, but it doesn't actually do anything. In other animals it plays a role in cellulose digestion, but humans can't digest cellulose. It can be removed with no harm at all the person (actually, a lot of the intestines can be removed without any harm).

 

[EecoErin]

The extensor coccygis is a muscle which spans the fused joints in the human coccyx. In other animals it lifts the tail. In humans . . . well, it just sits there spanning the distance between two bones it can never move.

Wow! I never knew that! I love coming to these debates, because I invariably end up learning something new and mind-expanding. (Strange how it's usually only from debaters on one side of the debate, though... )

 

[Loudmouth]

We must remember that, in Creationworld, a burned out TV is not broken. Afterall, it can still be functional as a boat anchor.

 

[Steezie]

How about the cecum in humans? It's between the large and small intestines, but it doesn't actually do anything. In other animals it plays a role in cellulose digestion, but humans can't digest cellulose. It can be removed with no harm at all the person (actually, a lot of the intestines can be removed without any harm).

It can also be advantageous to have it removed as the cecum can become infected and cause symptoms very similar to appendicitis

 

[ENominiPatri]

The falicy is that we have organs and body parts that we could live better without.

Explain circumcision smart one.

 

[AV1611VET]

How do Creationists account for or explain vestigial traits in the biological world?

What are "vestigial traits in the biological world"?

You mean like we have antenna?

 

[keith99]

or if they can they certainly wont.

I've asked this question multiple times and no one has had the stones to step forward and try to answer this question.

How do Creationists account for or explain vestigial traits in the biological world?

If you want an explanation complete with examples
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vestigial

So why will the Creationists not answer this?

Im guessing because they dont have one

Steezie, you really need to pick variations that go straight for the kill. Forget about extra parts. Well OK use them for the setup. Now it is time for the kill. What about things tha tif designed were done poorly? The sinus cavities on humans are garbage. Or actually more like part garbage. They drain poorly they are setup all wrong. They would function much better if we all walked on all fours.

Hmmm. Makes perfect sense if we evolved, makes no sense if we were created walking upright. And this is not the only such flaw, spine next and I'm sure there is a physiogolist or two here who can keep the list going.

 

[thaumaturgy]

Steezie, you really need to pick variations that go straight for the kill. Forget about extra parts. Well OK use them for the setup. Now it is time for the kill. What about things tha tif designed were done poorly? The sinus cavities on humans are garbage. Or actually more like part garbage. They drain poorly they are setup all wrong. They would function much better if we all walked on all fours.

Hmmm. Makes perfect sense if we evolved, makes no sense if we were created walking upright. And this is not the only such flaw, spine next and I'm sure there is a physiogolist or two here who can keep the list going.

Well, now you're just going to get the standard:
The Fall
from our fundamentalist friends. Of course in a sin-degraded world our sinuses would be messed up. Are you familiar with the story of Christina Mirabilis? She couldn't abide the stench of sin!

Later hagiographers attribute her apparent death to a seizure. In any case, she was carried to the church for the funeral Mass, where her first marvel was to occur. Right after the Agnus Dei, she flew up out of her coffin like a bird and perched herself in the rafters of the church (it was said that she desired to escape the stench of human sin).(SOURCE)

OOoooOOOooooo!

(You have to love the patron saint of mental illness!)

 

[thaumaturgy]

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[Merlin]

You're asking us to second guess God and His design, based on our limited understanding.
I don't fully know His design plan.
For instance, I read recently of a possible use for the appendix.
still, I don't know why God did it that way.

 

[Loudmouth]

You're asking us to second guess God and His design, based on our limited understanding.

No, we are asking you to explain vestigial traits.

For instance, I read recently of a possible use for the appendix.

Vestigial traits do have function. A burned out TV can have a possible use. It can be used as a boat anchor, for example. Vestigial means having a rudimentary or reduced function compared to the same feature in other species. The appendix in other species, as part of the caecum, is used to store commensal bacteria used to digest plant matter. It doesn't serve that function in humans.

 

[flatworm]

You're asking us to second guess God and His design, based on our limited understanding.

No, we're asking you to second-guess the idea that human bodies are perfectly designed. Our actual anatomy shows that we most definitely are not. Trying to hand-wave away the actual anatomical evidence based on some "mysterious ways" argument essentially makes the original contention meaningless: how can you say we are perfectly designed if we are not capable of judging perfection?

Come to think of it, how can you say we can see design in nature if don't admit we can discern bad design?

 

[RobertByers]

Vestigal organs makes the case for creationism.
Toe has everything coming from a different thing so many times that vestigal organs should be the standard details of all creatures living today.
instead they are few and far between. Water mammals and snakes have anatomical evidence of previous lifestyles. However these fit fine in creationist models (though many creationists don't see water mammals as originally from land).
Otherwise cratures lose eyes or wings or this or that due to non use here and there.
Evolution is forced to predict vestigal organs exist and yet can't show them as they should because of coarse evolution is a untested, unevidenced guess misunderstanding nature.
Robert Byers