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dad said:Not to those who believe God.
Unfalsifiable claims such as yours are useless, however! We can't falsify your past and future as this physical only present claims. Can't be done!! Ha ha ha
No science will I ignore, it is a tiny shadow of the great eternal realities, and nothing about it needs be ignored in any way, in the least. Not by me. You, on the other hand seem to have a predisposition to your own beliefs of some strange sameness in the past which science cannot support! Please do us a favor here, and stop ignoring the real limitations of our good science.caravelair said:actually, they are useless to those people too, except those who are desparate to find some way to be able to ignore the findings of science, like you.
Your bizarre last week creation claims, and weird same past and future for no apparent reason, other than yousaysoism cannot be falsified, and have no place being taught as science. Now admit this, and let's move on to something more interesting than your unsubstansiated fantasies you just really want us to call science.just like you can't falsify last-thursdayism!
dawiyd said:Assume the world is 30, 000 years old. On average tectonic plates move 4 inches per year. This means that since the beginning of time the plates have shifted around 10, 000 feet, a little less then two miles. Obviously, this poses a problem for the idea of a Pangea.
Challenge: Explain
1. Coal deposits in Antarctica showing fossils of tropical plants. Tectonics explains this since that land was at one point nearer to the equator at a latitude that allowed for such growth. Growth of these plants at the latitude of Antarctica is nearly impossible.
2. Continental ice sheets- glacial striations on rocks show that glaciers moved from south America towards the Atlantic ocean and from the Atlantic ocean towards Africa. Since it is highly unlikely that glaciers swim, how is this gap explainable if the continents were not joined at some point?
3. Identical fossil species along the South American and African shores, both on the Atlantic side. Fossils from these species are not found in north America, Asia, or the western side of Africa.
Gracchus said:I note, dad, that your avatars have been comedians who pretended to be God. Your wit is considerably short of that of the sly Mr. Burns. It is even short of the mindless mugging of Mr. Carey. I think you aspire unavailingly to wit. I think you are a troll.
The_Horses_Boy said:ON AVERAGE is key. How long have we been keeping track to make that average?
Your point is fundamentally flawed. If I were to say that, from a study of the last 100 years, (I'm pulling this number out of thin air) 250,000 people have been killed each year by guns, so through the time of the Roman Empire 3,7500,000 people must have been killed by guns... You get the idea.
dad said:No science will I ignore...
You, on the other hand seem to have a predisposition to your own beliefs of some strange sameness in the past which science cannot support!
Please do us a favor here, and stop ignoring the real limitations of our good science.
Your bizarre last week creation claims, and weird same past and future for no apparent reason, other than yousaysoism cannot be falsified, and have no place being taught as science.
rmwilliamsll said:what is flawed is your example.
you know that guns were only invented roughly 300 years ago. that knowledge makes extrapolation invalid past that date.
if you have knowledge of a similiar event that would invalidate plate tectonics then it too would be invalid extrapolation, but AFAIK no such information analogous to your knowledge of the invention of guns occurs in the geology.
rmwilliamsll said:We know when guns were invented (over a thousand years ago)
do you have a reference for this?
are you defending his example then?
it is not true. that many people did not die from gun shots.
The_Horses_Boy said:OK, here is a much better example: guns have been around for about 1000 years then. Can we take the average for how many have been killed a year in the last 100 years and apply it to the previous? No. Things change. It's the way our world works. Even nature is like that: unpredictable.
The_Horses_Boy said:ON AVERAGE is key. How long have we been keeping track to make that average?
Could you please give me a source?notto said:We know from independent lines of evidence that the average has been fairly consistent for millions of years.
We don't need to 'keep track' in the way you suggest. We can base the average on evidence of the movement in the past.
The_Horses_Boy said:Could you please give me a source?
dad said:ONLY in the present. You assume the past was the same. There lies your fatal error.
Oh I see... So a guess, based on a guess, based on a guess. Hmmmmm...notto said:http://www.soest.hawaii.edu/GG/HCV/haw_formation.html
We can see from the relationship of mountain (island) building, erosion and radiometric dating that the techtonic movement of the plates are fairly linear over a long amount of time.
The_Horses_Boy said:Oh I see... So a guess, based on a guess, based on a guess. Hmmmmm...
I'd like to know how they got those ages. I've got a hunch, but it's very important to know.
The_Horses_Boy said:Oh I see... So a guess, based on a guess, based on a guess. Hmmmmm...
I'd like to know how they got those ages. I've got a hunch, but it's very important to know.
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