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Horse evolution
Actually, I want to know what you make of it when a new species is observed to evolve. No old rocks, an entirely new environment, and an entirely new species. The new environment changes the selection pressure, mutations are always happening, and genetic drift is also always happening.
Culex pipiens in London Underground tunnels: differentiation between surface and subterranean populations.
There's a species of mosquito (Culex pippens) that is only found in the London Underground. It is extremely close (genetically) to molestus aboveground, but can't interbreed. That's the definition of a new species. It's evolution has been recorded. By the way, that paper is from a peer-reviewed journal and is available online for free. There is no reason why you can't read it.
No, it is not. Creationism is based on a religious belief, and evolution is a scientific theory.What sort of backward thinking do you have.That's like saying the religious thought of Islam has contributed nothing to science. Of course it has not! Evolution just like creationism is a way to look at the same science.
What "evolution agenda" are you referring to? Is it the same as the E.A.C. (THe Evil Atheist Conspiracy)?It's a thought process, a religion and seen by some(myself) as more of a cult way of thinking of distorting the facts to fit the "evolution" agenda.
Many people who call themselves "creationists" do good research and are reputatble scientists. The point we are making is that NONE of them use "scientific creationism" to do their research. It is therefore useless in terms of science. On the other hand, scientists who do research in evolutionary biology DO make use of the theory of evolution in their research. If you do not believe me, go to PubMed and do a search for research papers using the keyword "evolution" and see how many hits you get. Now... do you see the difference?Science is science even outside of the "label's" we give science including, creation science, evolutionary science, ect. I could even emphasis my point by saying something crazy like cartoon network science. One of my points is that both scientists, those that believe in evolution and those that believe in a literal creation are still reputable scientists.
We certainly see that with "creation scientists" quite often. Here is another difference for you to think about. When a real scientist gets caught making skewed and false statements in his research publications, he is punished and ostrasized by his university and his peers. Often, his career is ruined. On the other hand, if a "creation scientist" publishes skewed and false statements about "evolutionists" or "darwinists," he is praised by his creationist peers and cited by them. See the difference?Science is science and often times the facts are scewed and false statements are given to fit ones own personal bias and hidden agenda.
The modern horse and modern whales certainly fit this picture. Though I am not clear what you mean by its "entire" evolutionary process. I suspect you want to see every single intermediate species from the earliest ungulate ancestor to the modern Humpback whale. Otherwise you will pretend you are not "satisfied" with the evidence.I dare one person give me any animal that exists today and we can debate how it has evolved or not from it's distant past to now with clear examples of it's entire evolutionary process.
Science doesn't deal in absolutes or providing proof beyond a "shadow of a doubt." This is what religious beliefs like creationism provide (yet another example of how evolution is NOT a religion). We provide proof beyond a "reasonable doubt." Much like the judicial system.If someone can give me no shadow of a doubt clear evidence of this animals evolution through out the ages of time I will give them all major props.
What "common reasoning" is that. How about "I don't see how, therefore it is wrong?" That is an example of "common reasoning." How about lsitening to what the experts in their field say about the evidence they examine themselves, rather than asking for "common reasoning" based on heresay, beliefs, and "gut" feelings.I contend that with common reasoning this animals evolution can easily be disputed.
Thx, for the response.How are these not all fully formed horses perhaps with a few different species?
Thx, for the response.How are these not all fully formed horses perhaps with a few different species?
Thx, for the response.How are these not all fully formed horses perhaps with a few different species?
This has already been answered. We don't know. It would likely have been a cell without a nucleus, but even in todays classification we have two realms of those organisms, archeaes and prokaryotes. It might not have fit in either of those categories.So what were the first organisms then Tom.
Look AoS77, if you make mistakes, like the one I commented on here, I will correct you. That you don't like only reflects on your attitude, not on anybody elses.Give me insight instead of ussless drivel as you usually do, always digressing.
Horses do not have five toes. Horses do not have a dental set fit for eating leaves and fruit. Horses do not have an arch-shaped back. All these are characteristics that hyracotherium does have and Horses do not have.Thx, for the response.How are these not all fully formed horses perhaps with a few different species?
They are all fully formed. the beauty of evolution is that a creature can go from a cell to a human and remain fully formed through every iteration because its not a direct path. Every generation is a transitional species.
I have always wondered about the creationist fully formed argument. Why do creationists think that a species that evolves isn't fully formed. If it was not fully formed it would not survive to pass on its dna.
you might be thinking evolution is much like a single cell changing into a person much the way a baby forms in a womb. This is NOT like evolution.
a change is a change, no matter how small
ps I still wonder how you claim to have legitimate outlook on science when you don't know what a theory is. You are avoiding that simple fact.
Evolution just like creationism is a way to look at the same science. It's a thought process, a religion and seen by some(myself) as more of a cult way of thinking of distorting the facts to fit the "evolution" agenda.
You are trying to bait me on what a theory is? I'm answering those worthy of meaningfull discussions. Chill...
You are trying to bait me on what a theory is? I'm answering those worthy of meaningfull discussions. Chill...
You continue to ignore the fact that evolutionary biology has real world application. Creationism doesn't.
There is a real world application to creation.....it would save lots of money on false evolutionary research that leads to nothing but dead ends and holes that make the theory of evolution look like a block of swiss cheeseyes; creationism has no real application, or use.
knowing the story of creationism is pretty much the only thing you can do with it; re-tell it in all of its two hundred words or so glory.
Theres no reason it should even be considered a real thing; its a myth with symbology, thats it.
the only application you can gain from the story of creationism is to identify the succesfful/unsuccessful use of metaphors and symbols.
Apreciate the response legacy.At the very top there we start with the prokaryote. It's funny to mention that I wanted to talk about the prokarote many posts back. So the starting point of evolutionary theory is that all life we have to day starts with the prokarote? Is this a good starting point?
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