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<blockquote data-quote="BobRyan" data-source="post: 75932470" data-attributes="member: 235244"><p>I have a question for you - and any other evolutionists that occasionally get into discussions with Creationists on this sort of topic --</p><p></p><p> [USER=277368]@stevil[/USER] [USER=403545]@HARK![/USER] [USER=427204]@MIDutch[/USER] [USER=366806]@Jimmy D[/USER] [USER=378863]@Larnievc[/USER] [USER=231908]@Pommer[/USER] and others also free to comment of course <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>On the occasions when atheists and creationists enter into a discussion about the merits or flaws of each version of origins (as if to compare notes if not to actually convince the other side) I notice that very often the evidence each side gives is debunked by the other side as if no one would take that evidence seriously unless they were already Creationist or already atheist.</p><p></p><p><u><strong>Suppose that the Evolutionist discovered</strong></u> that there was a meeting of the minds among Creationists where many of the leading creation science proponents, well-known to creationists worldwide, were in attendance. And “as it turned out” one of the well-respected scientists among the Creationists (who did not claim to believe evolution at all) said something like this</p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px">"we know that as Creationists we often accuse evolutionists of pleading ignorance of the means and affirming only the fact, when it comes to some of the more difficult unanswered questions in evolution"</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">“But let me be honest with you about something. It seems me that this is the same feeling I get when talking to creationists today. They plead ignorance of the means , but affirm only the fact (saying): 'Yes it has...we know it has taken place as Creationism describes!"</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">"...Now I think that many people in this room would acknowledge that during the last few years, if you had thought about it at all, you've experienced a shift from Creation Science as knowledge <strong>to Creation Science as faith alone. </strong>I know that's true of me, and I think it's true of a good many of you in here...</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">"...<strong>,Creation Science not only conveys no knowledge, but seems somehow to convey anti-knowledge</strong> , apparent knowledge which is actually harmful to some of our key science claims about the evidence for the origin of all life on Earth"</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">“Can you tell me anything you know about Creation Science, any one thing…that is true?</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">"I tried that question on the geology department at one of our leading conservative Christian Universities and the only answer I got was silence. I tried it on the members of the Creation Science Seminar at another one of our Universities, and all I got there was silence for a long time and eventually one person said “<u>I know one thing</u> – <strong>it ought not to be taught in our private schools up through high school</strong>”</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">"... last year <strong>I had a sudden realization. </strong>For over twenty years I thought that I was working on Creation Science in some way. One morning I woke up, and something had happened in the night, and it struck me that I had been working on this stuff for twenty years, and there was not one thing I knew about it. "That was quite a shock that one could be misled for so long...</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">“It does seem that the level of knowledge about Creation Science is remarkably shallow. We know it ought not to be taught in high school, and perhaps that's all we know about it...</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">“about eighteen months ago...I woke up and I realized that all my life I had been duped into taking Creation Science as revealed truth alone rather than delving into it as science."</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p><p>=================== end</p><p></p><p>So here is my question for atheists –</p><p></p><p><u><strong>QUESTION1 </strong></u>:would it be of interest to you to have the reference for that meeting so as to share it with Creationists who say that evolutionism is a religious belief that has an opposing doctrine on origin to Creation – and the Creationist model is the one that is the best most reasonable conclusion for the origins question?</p><p></p><p><u><strong>QUESTION2: </strong></u>Would it surprise you to learn that Creationists don’t want Evolutionists to know about those statements much less to quote them in a discussion with Creationists since the people they would be quoting are still Creationists and not evolutionists, and those people don't want evolutionists to see anything helpful to them in what was said (since nobody in that meeting believed in evolution) ?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BobRyan, post: 75932470, member: 235244"] I have a question for you - and any other evolutionists that occasionally get into discussions with Creationists on this sort of topic -- [USER=277368]@stevil[/USER] [USER=403545]@HARK![/USER] [USER=427204]@MIDutch[/USER] [USER=366806]@Jimmy D[/USER] [USER=378863]@Larnievc[/USER] [USER=231908]@Pommer[/USER] and others also free to comment of course :) On the occasions when atheists and creationists enter into a discussion about the merits or flaws of each version of origins (as if to compare notes if not to actually convince the other side) I notice that very often the evidence each side gives is debunked by the other side as if no one would take that evidence seriously unless they were already Creationist or already atheist. [U][B]Suppose that the Evolutionist discovered[/B][/U] that there was a meeting of the minds among Creationists where many of the leading creation science proponents, well-known to creationists worldwide, were in attendance. And “as it turned out” one of the well-respected scientists among the Creationists (who did not claim to believe evolution at all) said something like this [INDENT]"we know that as Creationists we often accuse evolutionists of pleading ignorance of the means and affirming only the fact, when it comes to some of the more difficult unanswered questions in evolution" “But let me be honest with you about something. It seems me that this is the same feeling I get when talking to creationists today. They plead ignorance of the means , but affirm only the fact (saying): 'Yes it has...we know it has taken place as Creationism describes!" "...Now I think that many people in this room would acknowledge that during the last few years, if you had thought about it at all, you've experienced a shift from Creation Science as knowledge [B]to Creation Science as faith alone. [/B]I know that's true of me, and I think it's true of a good many of you in here... "...[B],Creation Science not only conveys no knowledge, but seems somehow to convey anti-knowledge[/B] , apparent knowledge which is actually harmful to some of our key science claims about the evidence for the origin of all life on Earth" “Can you tell me anything you know about Creation Science, any one thing…that is true? "I tried that question on the geology department at one of our leading conservative Christian Universities and the only answer I got was silence. I tried it on the members of the Creation Science Seminar at another one of our Universities, and all I got there was silence for a long time and eventually one person said “[U]I know one thing[/U] – [B]it ought not to be taught in our private schools up through high school[/B]” "... last year [B]I had a sudden realization. [/B]For over twenty years I thought that I was working on Creation Science in some way. One morning I woke up, and something had happened in the night, and it struck me that I had been working on this stuff for twenty years, and there was not one thing I knew about it. "That was quite a shock that one could be misled for so long... “It does seem that the level of knowledge about Creation Science is remarkably shallow. We know it ought not to be taught in high school, and perhaps that's all we know about it... “about eighteen months ago...I woke up and I realized that all my life I had been duped into taking Creation Science as revealed truth alone rather than delving into it as science." [/INDENT] =================== end So here is my question for atheists – [U][B]QUESTION1 [/B][/U]:would it be of interest to you to have the reference for that meeting so as to share it with Creationists who say that evolutionism is a religious belief that has an opposing doctrine on origin to Creation – and the Creationist model is the one that is the best most reasonable conclusion for the origins question? [U][B]QUESTION2: [/B][/U]Would it surprise you to learn that Creationists don’t want Evolutionists to know about those statements much less to quote them in a discussion with Creationists since the people they would be quoting are still Creationists and not evolutionists, and those people don't want evolutionists to see anything helpful to them in what was said (since nobody in that meeting believed in evolution) ? [/QUOTE]
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