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Creation Story: Did God lie?
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<blockquote data-quote="theyre here" data-source="post: 184540" data-attributes="member: 2808"><p>Josephus, thank you for participating.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Evolution:</p><p></p><p>Through the discoveries of science, religious beliefs have been modified in the past.</p><p></p><p>For example, we no longer believe the earth to be the center of things. Nor are we considering those passages of the Bible once interpreted to describe a flat earth, as literal depictions of a flat earth.</p><p></p><p>We are seeing the consideration of change, as in the case of theologians hypothesizing that Gods creation day may actually be thousands or millions of years.</p><p></p><p>Were also able to compare from this vantage point and see that Moses had borrowed from several sources for the basis of his creation story. Sources that in all likelihood, borrowed from antiquity as well.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Gods lie?</p><p></p><p>Im not buying that Psalms 90:4 (For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night) means Gods reference for a day is one thousand years. It simply refers the perception of time passing quickly when the entire Psalm is read in context.</p><p> </p><p>Nor 2 Peter 3:8 (But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day) which again in context has a different meaning than yours. The context here has nothing to do with the days of creation. Indeed, it is also not defining a day because it doesnt say <strong>a day is a thousand years</strong>. The correct understanding is derived from the context the Apostle Peters readers should not lose heart because God seems slow at fulfilling His promises because He is patient, and also because He is not bound by time as we are. The usage is a simile, to teach that God is outside of time (because He is the Creator of time itself). In fact, the figure of speech is so effective in its intended aim precisely because the day is literal and contrasts so vividly with 1000 years to the eternal Creator of time, a short period of time and a long period of time may as well be the same. </p><p></p><p>Both of your references, in context, do not refer to the days of creation, nor Gods actual temporal frame of reference.</p><p></p><p>So, were back to the original question. They did not die that day as the serpent said. Is this passage to be taken as written, meaning what it says?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="theyre here, post: 184540, member: 2808"] Josephus, thank you for participating. Evolution: Through the discoveries of science, religious beliefs have been modified in the past. For example, we no longer believe the earth to be the center of things. Nor are we considering those passages of the Bible once interpreted to describe a flat earth, as literal depictions of a flat earth. We are seeing the consideration of change, as in the case of theologians hypothesizing that Gods creation day may actually be thousands or millions of years. Were also able to compare from this vantage point and see that Moses had borrowed from several sources for the basis of his creation story. Sources that in all likelihood, borrowed from antiquity as well. Gods lie? Im not buying that Psalms 90:4 (For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night) means Gods reference for a day is one thousand years. It simply refers the perception of time passing quickly when the entire Psalm is read in context. Nor 2 Peter 3:8 (But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day) which again in context has a different meaning than yours. The context here has nothing to do with the days of creation. Indeed, it is also not defining a day because it doesnt say [b]a day is a thousand years[/b]. The correct understanding is derived from the context the Apostle Peters readers should not lose heart because God seems slow at fulfilling His promises because He is patient, and also because He is not bound by time as we are. The usage is a simile, to teach that God is outside of time (because He is the Creator of time itself). In fact, the figure of speech is so effective in its intended aim precisely because the day is literal and contrasts so vividly with 1000 years to the eternal Creator of time, a short period of time and a long period of time may as well be the same. Both of your references, in context, do not refer to the days of creation, nor Gods actual temporal frame of reference. So, were back to the original question. They did not die that day as the serpent said. Is this passage to be taken as written, meaning what it says? [/QUOTE]
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