Creation & Evolution

JohnR7 · Oct 18, 2005

In what way does evolution falsify creationism? It has been said that evolution is mostly biology. It is not biology that falsifies the YEC beliefs, it is more geology than anything else, that gives us evidence for a old earth and not a young earth.

serventofthelord · Oct 18, 2005

It is the young age of the Earth that falsifies cosmic evolution which says the world is billions of years old.

Deamiter · Oct 18, 2005

serventofthelord said:
It is the young age of the Earth that falsifies cosmic evolution which says the world is billions of years old.

Actually a hypothesis like that can't falsify anything. It's the evidence IN geology that falsifies creationism.

Re: the OP, generally little in Biology actually refutes creationism. However, creationists have this nasty habit of conflating all of science (or everything they disagree with) under the word "evolutionism." Thus, in order to communicate with them, either you have to go through some lengthy argument about how different theories actually do have different names, or use their terminology.

Still, I've never heard any professor or scientist ever say that evolution falsifies creationism.

z3ro · Oct 18, 2005

JohnR7 said:
In what way does evolution falsify creationism? It has been said that evolution is mostly biology. It is not biology that falsifies the YEC beliefs, it is more geology than anything else, that gives us evidence for a old earth and not a young earth.

Mostly true. The only part I can think of that biology might affect is the whole "reproduce after their kind" verse, depending on how you define kind.

Event Horizon · Oct 18, 2005

serventofthelord said:
It is the young age of the Earth that falsifies cosmic evolution which says the world is billions of years old.

The age of the earth, as put forth by creationists, isn't based on science and therefore cannot scientifically falsify anything. As for this "cosmic evolution" you speak of, evolution has no relevance to cosmology which makes "cosmic evolution" an oxymoron.

serventofthelord · Oct 18, 2005

Event Horizon said:
The age of the earth, as put forth by creationists, isn't based on science and therefore cannot scientifically falsify anything. As for this "cosmic evolution" you speak of, evolution has no relevance to cosmology which makes "cosmic evolution" an oxymoron.

Evolution is a word that means a gradual process of change. You can say cultures evolve, for example. This can be called "cultural evolution" It doesn't just mean the Theory of Evolution, which deals with biology.

Event Horizon · Oct 18, 2005

serventofthelord said:
Evolution is a word that means a gradual process of change. You can say cultures evolve, for example. It doesn't just mean the Theory of Evolution in biology.

Sorry, I thought you meant the theory, not the verb.

Deamiter · Oct 18, 2005

Event Horizon said:
The age of the earth, as put forth by creationists, isn't based on science and therefore cannot scientifically falsify anything. As for this "cosmic evolution" you speak of, evolution has no relevance to cosmology which makes "cosmic evolution" an oxymoron.

Well... to be even more confusing, evolution is both the proper name of a scientific theory, and a general noun refering to the change of something.

Thus there is evolution of stars, evolution of animals, even eveolution of Christianity. At the same time the Theory of Evolution (not normally capitalized) is a very specific theory applying only to the change of frequency of alleals (traits), and not to common descent, geology, cosmology or ANYTHING besides the frequency of traits in populations.

Ryal Kane · Oct 18, 2005

Well you could say that evolution doesn't falsify magic or UFO's either, but that hardly makes them more credible.

In any case, elements of the Theory of Evolution, such as twin nested heirachies and common ancestory are incompatable with YEC.

Young Earth Creationism crosses a very broad number of sciences almost all of them contradict it. It denies biology, geology, physics and astronomy to name a few.

And I think serventofthelord is being a very good, albeit confusing, example of Poe's law.

Loudmouth · Oct 18, 2005

JohnR7 said:
In what way does evolution falsify creationism?

It depends on how creationism is defined. If it is simply defined as "God created the Universe" then evolution is unable to even approach the question. If creationism is defined as "humans and apes do not share common ancestory" then evolution can falsify creationism. There is ample evidence, both in our DNA and in the fossil record, that humans and apes do share common ancestory.

It really comes down to what testable predictions that the brand of creationism makes.

It has been said that evolution is mostly biology. It is not biology that falsifies the YEC beliefs, it is more geology than anything else, that gives us evidence for a old earth and not a young earth.

Actually, evolution can falsify a young earth, or at least one with a recent genetic bottleneck due to a Global Flood. There is simply too much genetic diversity, and differences in genetic diversity between species, for a recent Global Flood. Evidence from geology and astronomy also falsify a young earth and in a much more straightforward sense. Not only is the earth old but not all lifeforms are present at the beginning.

madarab · Oct 18, 2005

There is a lot more to creationism than simply the age of the Earth. Evolution also deals with how humans evolved. While both creationism and evolution agree that all humanity has a common origin the two have distinct differences when it comes to evolution's claim that all living creatures have a common ancestry.

billwald · Oct 18, 2005

There is no test for falsifying "God poofed everything."

serventofthelord · Oct 18, 2005

billwald said:
There is no test for falsifying "God poofed everything."

You can't falsify the truth!

TheBigAl · Oct 18, 2005

serventofthelord said:
You can't falsify the truth!

Unless the truth is a lie, to begin with.

Grengor · Oct 18, 2005

You can't falsify something which only currently exists in someones head.

JohnR7 · Oct 18, 2005

TheBigAl said:
Unless the truth is a lie, to begin with.

How can the truth be a lie? You would have to rewrite the dictionary to believe that. Also science and law is based on truth, not just religious beliefs.

TheBigAl · Oct 18, 2005

JohnR7 said:
How can the truth be a lie?

Well, how do you know "the truth" when you see it?

JohnR7 · Oct 18, 2005

Event Horizon said:
The age of the earth, as put forth by creationists, isn't based on science and therefore cannot scientifically falsify anything.

You must mean YEC creationists, because OEC and GAP has no problem with the earth being any age you want it to be. Actually, for TE's the theory of evolution is a creationist theory.

TheBigAl · Oct 18, 2005

JohnR7 said:
Also science and law is based on truth, not just religious beliefs.

So, you are admitting evolution to be true? Or did you simply contradicted yourself?

JohnR7 · Oct 18, 2005

TheBigAl said:
Well, how do you know "the truth" when you see it?

God is truth and apart from God we are not able to know the truth. Man is to easy to be deceived. Or as Menchen said: "
No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people

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