Creating a New Nation! The New C.S.A. (3)

tulc · Apr 29, 2008

We need to illegalize Abortion, Homosexuality, and Porn in all it's varieties. That is just to start things off.

Well in SoFhalf acre, ok. In America? Not going to happen.
tulc(and the ACLU will defend your right to speak ill of them)

tulc · Apr 29, 2008

...that reminds me, SoF did you ever explain why you said Stalin murdered all those people yet since he was the government wouldn't that mean it was ok because governments don't murder? Wouldn't that be true also of Mao, Pol Pot and Castro?
tulc(guess you missed that question several people have been asking you)

scraparcs · Apr 29, 2008

SOF, I've noticed that in defense of God, you really do have a very charismatic, powerful method of presentation. (Perchance, are you a preacher in any capacity?)

Here's the thing though, you can rally people behind (or against, it seems) a powerful vision for a change in a nation, but in order to effect change, we not only need charismatic leaders, but those who would take care of the details. Judging by the responses here, I would imagine that you would face some strong opposition.

How would you face opposition, and how would this nation be implemented?

TheNewWorldMan · Apr 30, 2008

Lel said:
SOF, I've noticed that in defense of God, you really do have a very charismatic, powerful method of presentation. (Perchance, are you a preacher in any capacity?)

Here's the thing though, you can rally people behind (or against, it seems) a powerful vision for a change in a nation, but in order to effect change, we not only need charismatic leaders, but those who would take care of the details. Judging by the responses here, I would imagine that you would face some strong opposition.

How would you face opposition, and how would this nation be implemented?

This is likely how opposition would be faced:

and how the C.S.A. would be implemented (recruitment; just substitute "American Christians" for "Nederlanders")

scraparcs · Apr 30, 2008

I have hope that SOF has a better plan in mind than that. I'm more curious as to what the next step is.

Nathan Poe · Apr 30, 2008

ShieldOFaith said:
I served my country in the United States Army, 5th Infantry Division Mechanized.

Section Eight?

Have you ever laced up the combat boots? Do you have the scars in your body to prove your service to your country?

Whatever you were serving, Shield, it wasn't this country.

Don't talk about slapping faces until you've ran a mile in my boots!

You're still insulting everything in that Constitution you claimed to have once defended.

We need to illegalize Abortion, Homosexuality, and Porn in all it's varieties. That is just to start things off.

If you want to slap something; Slap the taste out of the a.c.l.u.'s mouth!

SOLA FIDE.

"I DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR (OR AFFIRM) THAT I WILL SUPPORT AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES AGAINST ALL ENEMIES, FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC; THAT I WILL BEAR TRUE FAITH AND ALLEGIANCE TO THE SAME; AND THAT I WILL OBEY THE ORDERS OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE ORDERS OF THE OFFICERS APPOINTED OVER ME, ACCORDING TO REGULATIONS AND THE UNIFORM CODE OF MILITARY JUSTICE."

Funny how those words mean more to us than they ever allegedly meant to you.

ShieldOFaith · Apr 30, 2008

Lel said:
SOF, I've noticed that in defense of God, you really do have a very charismatic, powerful method of presentation. (Perchance, are you a preacher in any capacity?)

Here's the thing though, you can rally people behind (or against, it seems) a powerful vision for a change in a nation, but in order to effect change, we not only need charismatic leaders, but those who would take care of the details. Judging by the responses here, I would imagine that you would face some strong opposition.

How would you face opposition, and how would this nation be implemented?

Lel, howdy. In all actuality I understand that I would not be the best qualified to run a brand new government. I do not have a Harvard education with a major in economics. I have plenty of Vision and Will!!! Especially WILL! In all honesty though I understand that if perchance this was to actually happen, I would have to defer most of the financial matters to others more qualified. I have no problem being a leader and making decisions; however, creating a brand new economy and keeping it afloat... well...

All I can say is that it would be a modified Capitalist economy. Much like the U.S.. Only we would not have leaches like the a.c.l.u., planned murderhood, an insane welfare system...ect.. No! I don't need a Harvard education to understand the sickness these things bring.

When it comes to assessing war/ defense of state, or putting criminals down/ making the people safe and secure I would do great; because I have courage and WILL to make the hard decisions. However, I would have to have lots of help with the economics ect..

I hope that helps.

SOLA GRATIA.

tulc · Apr 30, 2008

Only we would not have leaches like the a.c.l.u.

Ahhh so you don't want people to have someone to defend their right to free speech?
oops I forgot to ask, is there freedom of speech in your country?
tulc(that should let people know what "freedom" will look like in your country...amazingly like any other dictatorship)

Nathan Poe · Apr 30, 2008

ShieldOFaith said:
Lel, howdy. In all actuality I understand that I would not be the best qualified to run a brand new government.

Quite possibly the wisest thing you've said to date.

I do not have a Harvard education with a major in economics. I have plenty of Vision and Will!!! Especially WILL! In all honesty though I understand that if perchance this was to actually happen, I would have to defer most of the financial matters to others more qualified.

The problem, Shield, is that those "others more qualified" will be the first ones to tell you that a nation structured under your vision and will has a life span of three months -- tops -- before it completely disintegrates from within.

I have no problem being a leader and making decisions;

You just said that you "would not be the best qualified to run a brand new government"

being a leader and making decisions pretty much is the job description of "running a brand new government."

however, creating a brand new economy and keeping it afloat... well...

...not feasable under your draconian rule.

All I can say is that it would be a modified Capitalist economy. Much like the U.S.. Only we would not have leaches like the a.c.l.u., planned murderhood, an insane welfare system...ect.. No! I don't need a Harvard education to understand the sickness these things bring.

The problem is that the ACLU is financed completely by private donations, and Planned Parenthood is a private corporation.

So who are the leeches?

When it comes to assessing war/ defense of state, or putting criminals down/ making the people safe and secure I would do great; because I have courage and WILL to make the hard decisions.

You think that's all it takes?

Word of advice: get that Harvard education.

However, I would have to have lots of help with the economics ect..

You're going to have considerable difficulty, I would think, finding such finacial advisors who agree with your worldview.

Nathan Poe · Apr 30, 2008

tulc said:
Ahhh so you don't want people to have someone to defend their right to free speech?
tulc(that should let people know what "freedom" will look like in your country...amazingly like any other dictatorship)

What right to free speech? SoF has already gone on record as being anti-Freedom.

Chajara · Apr 30, 2008

Wait, if there's no Planned Parenthood, how will women like me afford their birth control? I'm working full time and have insurance, but birth control (especially the Nuvaring, which is what works best for me) is still ridiculously expensive, and I need it to keep my hormones in line or I'm missing work every month (I'll spare you the details, but suffice to say it's painful and even large amounts of ibuprofen can't get me through a bad day dealing with that crap.) It also keeps the babies away, which is a good thing for us at this time. (I don't know what I'll do with my stupid hormones when I have to go off birth control so I can have kids later.)

Would there be another organization that provides female reproductive care (pap smears, pregnancy tests, prenatal care and counseling, sexual advice, etc.) and birth control without the abortion part or are we just SOL?

Or is birth control just evil and going to be banned too?

GrayCat · Apr 30, 2008

ShieldOFaith said:
All I can say is that it would be a modified Capitalist economy.

I don't need a Harvard education to understand the sickness these things bring.

First sentence - Really? You sure? I think communism would work infinitely better, don't you?

(that is sarcasm. I am well aware of your utter hatred of Communism) LOL

Ssecond - This is possibly the first time I have agreed with one of your statements. For if you had had a Harvard education - or, I may even venture to say, any other sort of liberal-arts college education - I can guarrentee you wouldn't hold that view of freedom = sickness.

Nathan Poe · Apr 30, 2008

Chajara said:
Wait, if there's no Planned Parenthood, how will women like me afford their birth control? I'm working full time and have insurance, but birth control (especially the Nuvaring, which is what works best for me) is still ridiculously expensive, and I need it to keep my hormones in line or I'm missing work every month (I'll spare you the details, but suffice to say it's painful and even large amounts of ibuprofen can't get me through a bad day dealing with that crap.) It also keeps the babies away, which is a good thing for us at this time. (I don't know what I'll do with my stupid hormones when I have to go off birth control so I can have kids later.)

Would there be another organization that provides female reproductive care (pap smears, pregnancy tests, prenatal care and counseling, sexual advice, etc.) and birth control without the abortion part or are we just SOL?

Or is birth control just evil and going to be banned too?

I'm going to take a few wild guesses here and see if I can answer these questions for SoF:

1: All birth control devices shall be outlawed and posession of so much as a single condom will be punishable by hanging.

2: Miss work? No woman's monthy "curse" is so bad that she can't make it from the bedroom to the kitchen -- wait, you thought you were actually going to be holding down a job outside the home in the C.S.A.? nice try.

3:Female Reproductive Care will be handled as most issues will be handled in the C.S.A.: Biblically. Expect a lot of prayer and laying of hands. Good luck with that pap smear.

4: Pregnancy tests? Your husband can help you out with that one at home. What? No husband? You and your child will be hanged for fornication.

Anything else?

Chajara · Apr 30, 2008

Nathan Poe said:
I'm going to take a few wild guesses here and see if I can answer these questions for SoF:

1: All birth control devices shall be outlawed and posession of so much as a single condom will be punishable by hanging.

2: Miss work? No woman's monthy "curse" is so bad that she can't make it from the bedroom to the kitchen -- wait, you thought you were actually going to be holding down a job outside the home in the C.S.A.? nice try.

3:Female Reproductive Care will be handled as most issues will be handled in the C.S.A.: Biblically. Expect a lot of prayer and laying of hands. Good luck with that pap smear.

4: Pregnancy tests? Your husband can help you out with that one at home. What? No husband? You and your child will be hanged for fornication.

Anything else?

Well, hell. Guess I'll drag the boyfriend down to the courthouse tomorrow morning and tomorrow night we can get right to work on the babymakin'. If I die in childbirth or miscarry due to my retarded hormones and lack of prenatal care, I don't suppose my husband will be able to collect any money to help out. Nope, he'll probably have to just remarry and let the new female mother my kids. (The thought of some other woman raising my kids makes my blood just boil. I honestly think that bothers me more than the idea of some other woman getting to sleep with my mate. Ugh.)

Boy, are they going to be screwed at the store I work at when all the women quit. The guys who work there, at least in the deli, are for the most part worthless and lazy.

Edit: And I'm not throwing away all our condoms. Those things are expensive, too. The CSA police will just have to pry them from our cold, dead hands.

Paulos23 · Apr 30, 2008

Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if SoF supported faith healing over doctors. FSM help you if your born with diabedies....

Archaeopteryx · May 1, 2008

SoF, you have not addressed my question yet. Again, I'm asking, what place will basic freedoms such as freedom of speech and freedom of assembly hold in the CSA?

Nathan Poe · May 1, 2008

bjspurple said:
SoF, you have not addressed my question yet. Again, I'm asking, what place will basic freedoms such as freedom of speech and freedom of assembly hold in the CSA?

I'd guess no place at all -- Totalitarian regimes, which theocracies are, don't react well to the possibility of dissent.

ShieldOFaith · May 2, 2008

GrayCat said:
First sentence - Really? You sure? I think communism would work infinitely better, don't you?

(that is sarcasm. I am well aware of your utter hatred of Communism) LOL

Ssecond - This is possibly the first time I have agreed with one of your statements. For if you had had a Harvard education - or, I may even venture to say, any other sort of liberal-arts college education - I can guarrentee you wouldn't hold that view of freedom = sickness.

GrayCat, howdy.

Sorry, but if I had a Harvard education, I'd still understand that Abortion and homosexuality are vile in the sight of GOD.

All it would mean is that I would be in mass amounts of debt, and I read a whole bunch of books some professor told me to. It could not prevent me from understanding the WORD OF GOD.

You are probably not aware of this, but a long long time ago Harvard and Princeton used to put out some great Theology scholars. My Fav preacher of all time Jonathan Edwards was the first president of Princeton University!!!!!!! Listen to some of his words:

The bow of God's wrath is bent, and the arrow made ready on the string, and justice bends the arrow at your heart, and strains the bow, and it is nothing but the mere pleasure of God, and that of an angry God, without any promise or obligation at all, that keeps the arrow one moment from being made drunk with your blood. Thus all you that never passed under a great change of heart,
by the mighty power of the Spirit of God upon your souls; all you that were never born again, and made new creatures, and raised from being dead in sin, to a state of new, and before altogether unexperienced light and life, are in the hands of an angry God. However you may have reformed your life in many things, and may have had religious affections, and may keep up a form of religion in your families and closets, and in the house of God, it is nothing but his mere pleasure that keeps you from being this moment swallowed up in everlasting destruction. However unconvinced you may now be of the truth of what you hear, by and by you will be fully convinced of it. Those that are gone from being in the like circumstances with you, see that it was so with them; for destruction came suddenly upon most of them; when they expected nothing of it, and while they were saying, Peace and safety: now they see, that those things on which they depended for peace and safety, were nothing but thin air and empty shadows.
The God that holds you over the pit of hell, much as one holds a spider, or some loathsome insect over the fire, abhors you, and is dreadfully provoked: his wrath towards you burns like fire; he looks upon you as worthy of nothing else, but to be cast into the fire; he is of purer eyes than to bear to have you in his sight; you are ten thousand times more abominable in his eyes, than the most hateful venomous serpent is in ours. You have offended him infinitely more than ever a stubborn rebel did his prince; and yet it is nothing but his hand that holds you from falling into the fire every moment. It is to be ascribed to nothing else, that you did not go to hell the last night; that you was suffered to awake again in this world, after you closed your eyes to sleep. And there is no other reason to be given, why you have not dropped into hell since you arose in the morning, but that God's hand has held you up. There is no other reason to be given why you have not gone to hell, since you have sat here in the house of God, provoking his pure eyes by your sinful wicked manner of attending his solemn worship. Yea, there is nothing else that is to be given as a reason why you do not this very moment drop down into hell.
O sinner! Consider the fearful danger you are in: it is a great furnace of wrath, a wide and bottomless pit, full of the fire of wrath, that you are held over in the hand of that God, whose wrath is provoked and incensed as much against you, as against many of the damned in hell. You hang by a slender thread, with the flames of divine wrath flashing about it, and ready every moment to singe it, and burn it asunder; and you have no interest in any Mediator, and nothing to lay hold of to save yourself, nothing to keep off the flames of wrath, nothing of your own, nothing that you ever have done, nothing that you can do, to induce God to spare you one moment. And consider here more particularly
1. Whose wrath it is: it is the wrath of the infinite God. If it were only the wrath of man, though it were of the most potent prince, it would be comparatively little to be regarded. The wrath of kings is very much dreaded, especially of absolute monarchs, who have the possessions and lives of their subjects wholly in their power, to be disposed of at their mere will. Prov. xx. 2. "The fear of a king is as the roaring of a lion: Whoso provoketh him to anger, sinneth against his own soul." The subject that very much enrages an arbitrary prince, is liable to suffer the most extreme torments that human art can invent, or human power can inflict. But the greatest earthly potentates in their greatest majesty and strength, and when clothed in their greatest terrors, are but feeble, despicable worms of the dust, in comparison of the great and almighty Creator and King of heaven and earth. It is but little that they can do, when most enraged, and when they have exerted the utmost of their fury. All the kings of the earth, before God, are as grasshoppers; they are nothing, and less than nothing: both their love and their hatred is to be despised. The wrath of the great King of kings, is as much more terrible than theirs, as his majesty is greater. Luke xii. 4, 5. "And I say unto you, my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that, have no more that they can do. But I will forewarn you whom you shall fear: fear him, which after he hath killed, hath power to cast into hell: yea, I say unto you, Fear him." --JONATHAN EDWARDS

THE ABOVE IS FROM THE FIRST PRESIDENT OF PRINCETON UNIVERSITY!!! AWESOME!!!

If I had a Princeton University education, I would produce more sermons like "SINNERS IN THE HANDS OF AN ANGRY GOD". It is the greatest sermon ever preached outside of anything that JESUS preached. Hands down, bar none!!!

SOLI DEO GLORIA.

ShieldOFaith · May 2, 2008

Nathan Poe said:
3:Female Reproductive Care will be handled as most issues will be handled in the C.S.A.: Biblically. Expect a lot of prayer and laying of hands. Good luck with that pap smear.

Anything else?

OOOOOOOOOhhhh, come on now Nathan Poe. That's just not right.

There would be no hanky panky from the C.S.A. doctors. They would be good doctors with a heart for GOD. Period.

There would be great medical care in the C.S.A..

SOLA GRATIA.

ShieldOFaith · May 2, 2008

bjspurple said:
SoF, you have not addressed my question yet. Again, I'm asking, what place will basic freedoms such as freedom of speech and freedom of assembly hold in the CSA?

I have no problem with freedom of speech. Nor with freedom of assembly.

However, there would be Blasphemy laws that would temper freedom of speech.

THE FREEDOM TO PRAISE GOD, what about that???

Why isn't that at the TOP of your list???????

SOLA GRATIA.

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