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Creating a New Nation! The New C.S.A. (2)

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1. You have no idea about what cast the first stone even means. You do not know the context of what is happening. If you did, you would have never used that Scripture as an argument against what I am saying.

"let he who is without sin cast the first stone" seems to me to mean "you can only dole out punishments in God's name if you're perfect". Since no one is perfect, in effect it's saying "don't do God's work for him".


3. You like so many others here are terribly confused. You can not get the simple concept of inter-personal relationships, and an acting government separated in your mind. I don't understand why you have such a hard time with such a SIMPLE concept.

You don't understand that what was applicable 2-3000 years ago no longer applies now! Political philosophy has moved on. Government is now a representation of everyone's vested interest; it is, in effect, the representation of everyone's interpersonal relations. It's not some almighty, overbearing monstrosity. Since people in the Western World are now responsible for their government, and visa-versa, "government-populus" and interpersonal relations are one and the same.
 
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Your little pathetic quip about my being insane makes you look really foolish. You should stop while your ahead. Seriously.

Well, you do exhibit certain traits that are easily seen as very clear signs of insanity. And as I have hinted at, you even show some things which in the bible are related to possession. You do not show the fruits of the spirit, and as the bible tells us to beware false prophets and false teachers, to beware those who would lead us astray and also tells us to recognize the tree by it's fruit... Well, when I see poison ivy I don't search for apples among it's leaves do I?

1. You have no idea about what cast the first stone even means. You do not know the context of what is happening. If you did, you would have never used that Scripture as an argument against what I am saying.

Really? Let's review, shall we?

2At dawn he appeared again in the temple courts, where all the people gathered around him, and he sat down to teach them. 3The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group 4and said to Jesus, "Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. 5In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?" 6They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him.

Here we have a very clear case. Jesus is confronted with a woman who was caught in adultery. He is confronted by the equivalent of modern day lawyers and judges, and people who were very very religious. And any look through the scriptures we will see that they were right. Moses did in the laws command that such women should be killed for their sins. So, we have the law saying this woman should be stoned. We have the people with the authority to do so, given to them by the government. all saying that she should be killed. Hence, the government, the sovereign nation as it were - said she should be killed.

But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. 7When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her." 8Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.

Now Jesus confronts the law, the officials, the judicial system and thus the sovereignty of the nation you could say, by stopping the stoning.

9At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. 10Jesus straightened up and asked her, "Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?"11"No one, sir," she said.
"Then neither do I condemn you," Jesus declared. "Go now and leave your life of sin."


And so it ends. Jesus pardoned the woman who according to law was to be killed. Just as she would have - no doubt - in your nation.

2. You are calling me all kinds of names like psychopath and animal, and then you tell me to repent? You call yourself a follower of Messiah Yeshua? Hummm.....

Hitler was a psychopath and an animal by anyone's standard. He was human too, but one can call him a psychopath and an animal because that's what he was. He could still receive Christ's mercy and forgiveness, had he repented and sought it. But, just like you he decided to cling to his adamant belief in his own supremacy instead. What you are supporting and believing is anti-Christian. It is vile and evil, and if you do go through with it you WILL go down in history as a religious lunatic who caused yet another hate-driven genocide. It is evil. It IS the work of the devil, nothing less.


Maybe it's you who don't understand then. Have you considered that? You know that all men of God are supposed to be humble, but you're proud and arrogant. Everyone else here - every single one - is saying what you're doing is either a product of an evil mind, or an insane one. Everyone.
A government is still a collection of people. It is not supernaturally superior to human beings. It IS human beings. What laws God gave us applies whether we be acting as individuals or as parts of a collective. We are supposed to love and to help anyone and everyone. By this we are supposed to be set apart. Yet you Shield, you decide to attempt to be set apart by killing those Jesus died for. By killing those He told us to have mercy on.


Tell me then, where in the bible does God command you to do a 180 whenever you become elected into office? Where does He say that once part of a government you should substitute mercy for mercilessness, love for hate, patience with impatience?


You know, everyone here disagrees with you. Maybe that's because you're the one who's ... Mistaken? Has that thought crossed your mind?

If there were a brand new Government called the New C.S.A., or The Land of Christian Truth,

If it was 'the land of christian truth' it would not be such a devilishly evil place. Banning art-forms, exercising death penalty for thought crimes, and such. It would be a place where the poor were helped. The weak strengthened, the hungry fed. It would be a place where the sick were cared for, the least among them placed first. It would be a country of opposites. A country where everyone shared equally, and everyone helped everyone.
Not a country reverting to the dark ages of murdering people because of what they think!

or The Happy New Country,

It would be oppressed. Not happy. God's greatest gift to man was free will. Why do I say THAT'S His greatest gift and not Christ? Because free will enables us to love. It allows us to choose for ourselves to follow God. Without free will we would not have loved. We would be automatons. Christ is as great, without Him our free will would amount to nought. But you would strip man of his free will. Of His choice to choose Christ or not to choose Christ.

whatever the name; it would be a sovereign nation and would have the authority to exercise Capital Punishment.

So you have no problem with nations executing Christians?

This also goes for already established governments, like the U. S. or France, ect.. They have the authority by God to exercise Capital Punishment if they so choose to.

Look, we're not appalled that you choose to support death penalty. Though I do find that sad to see from a person who claims to be a Christian. What we're appalled to see is that you want genocide. That you want a 'cleansing' of the people of the sort which uses blood as a detergent. You would kill people for ludicrous things.


If we get responses from pastors here - and these responses confirm what we say - would you change your view? Cause if you would I could get them. I have many friends who are priests and pastors. And I work in Norway's largest and most conservative missions agency. Oh trust me I know many pastors who believe in the bible as the word of God. In Norway, the US and other places.

WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR? DON'T BE A COWARD! PUT ME TO THE TEST NOW!!! HIT THE PRINT BUTTON AND TAKE THIS POST TO YOUR PASTOR AND SEE IF HE DISAGREES.

If he disagrees, then what?

P.S. DO NOT BE SURPRISED WHEN HE AGREES WITH ME.

So, when he doesn't that just means he's a heathen, or possessed, or just not Christian, right?

SOLI DEO GLORIA.

Jesus loves the people you would kill.
Jesus died so the people you would kill would get another chance at life.
 
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lol foolish? No, you're foolish. You want to basically hang EVERYONE. You'd even hang yourself if someone found you sinning. You want to hang everyone who sins.

You want the gvt to do God's job.

Stop undermining God. He's much ore powerful than any govt, especially any psychotic one that uses His name to further EVIL DEEDS.

The govt IS NOT APPOINTED BY GOD!

Prove that God DOES appoint govt and you might not look foolish.

lol I think more people are with me on this one than they are with you SoF. You should change your name to sheild of ignorance.

Also, I don't have a pastor; I've found that lots of them are crazy as you, and I'd be a fool to listen to someone like you. How can I listen to you when you tell me things like "If I vote, it doesn't matter because God has the final ballot". Now thats just ludacrous.

You do need help.

Anyone who feels any sinner needs to be hanged has mental health issues. Again, how old are you?

Anyone who advocates for the genocide of people (which is what you are OBVIOUSLY doing) is insane. And you DO agree with this.
 
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If we brought a practicing homosexual to this thread and if this lead to SoF publicly proclaiming that this particular person should be killed, would it be enough to ban SoF from these forums?
I'd just rather he go see a priest and a psychologist.
 
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I'd just rather he go see a priest and a psychologist.

Agreed, I actually wouldn't want SoF banned or any such rubbish. The world needs to know that the likes of him exist, and get a pretty good idea what they'd accomplish if left unchecked.

[BIBLE]John 3:20[/BIBLE]

Drag the rascals out into the light, I say -- let's all get a good laugh at them.
 
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If we brought a practicing homosexual to this thread and if this lead to SoF publicly proclaiming that this particular person should be killed, would it be enough to ban SoF from these forums?
If you want people SoF think should be killed, just ask. I've got Wiccans, I've got Communists, I've got gays, transgenders & sex-change friends. How many do you want & when?

I can also bring in a few jews to test his neo-nazi capabilities.
 
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How is government not an inter-personal relationship? It's a relationship of a person/persons with other persons isn't it?

Do you think States are mystical entities trancending their human components or something?
 
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History is full of two-bit tyrants who've done the exact same thing.

alas, yes.

and i think that very thing incurs His wrath muchmoreso than drug-dealers and gays have ever done.

I should think so.

If we brought a practicing homosexual to this thread and if this lead to SoF publicly proclaiming that this particular person should be killed, would it be enough to ban SoF from these forums?

Possibly. I don't want him banned though. This insanity should be public. I think Poe's quote of John 3:20 is an excellent explanation of why.

Agreed, I actually wouldn't want SoF banned or any such rubbish. The world needs to know that the likes of him exist, and get a pretty good idea what they'd accomplish if left unchecked.

Oh absolutely. It has been a wake-up call for me. I never thought I would speak to someone whose mind would be like the mind of Stalin, Hitler, or whatever. Now I have, and boy is it scary.

Drag the rascals out into the light, I say -- let's all get a good laugh at them.

I agree. Though I cannot get myself to laugh at what SoF is proposing. It is so insane I have had a very hard time wrapping my head around the severity of it.
But yes. Drag them out into the light, I agree wholeheartedly. Then, united as one despite religious and political beliefs - stand against them. Strong and resolute. Like we have done here. Christians, Atheists, Agnostics, republicans, democrats, Americans, Europeans, Australians and others have stood united against Shield. And I think that's the way in this case. It may of course strengthen his idea of being divinely elected for greatness. But when you reach a level of delusion like Shield of Faith has, it's very hard to influence him in any way. Anything we say or do can serve to strengthen his resolve. HOWEVER - We MUST stand united against this lunacy!
We MUST NOT WAVER! For the case of history - and indeed for the millions men women and children who have been killed by men just like Shield of Faith we must NOT ALLOW this to go unnoticed! We MUST send a STRONG signal that such evil is NOT TOLERATED!!!

When I see Shield I see Hitler. I see the Gestapo, and I see the markers for mass graves dotting Europe. I see the Gulags of Russia, I see the photos of starved Jews in Hitler's concentration camps. I see the book pyres in Germany and the extreme hatred accompanying it. When I see Shield I see this and more. I see the witches who were burned on the stake. I see the Christians being torn to bits by lions in the colosseum, or used as party illumination. And I CANNOT let this pass by unnoticed. I CANNOT let this go without at the very least raising what voice I have in adamant defiance against this vile, hell-spawned evil. When I stand up to Shield, I stand up to Hitler, I stand up to Stalin, I stand up to those who have done and would do evil like Shield proposes. What he is proposing is the wickedest of things a man can even dream of suggesting. To use the name of God while doing so infuriates me beyond what words can express!
I cannot not say anything any more than I can look into the eyes of one of the Gestapo's victims if such a thing were possible and say 'what they did was justified'.
We have a saying - 'he who keeps silent agrees'
I will be DEAD before I agree with Shield!
 
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Once again you are mistaken.

You are not quoting the LAW correctly. You do err by not knowing the Scriptures.

Let us read it correctly:

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]10 The man who commits adultery with another man's wife, he who commits adultery with his neighbor's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress, shall surely be put to death. --Lev. 20

Let's see it again:

"THE MAN WHO COMMITS ADULTERY WITH ANOTHER MAN'S WIFE, HE WHO COMMITS ADULTERY WITH HIS NEIGHBOR'S WIFE, THE ADULTERER AND THE ADULTERESS, SHALL SURELY BE PUT TO DEATH."

Did you READ verse 6???

Once again FG you are not seeing the passage clearly. If you would have read VERSE 6, you would have understood that this entire thing was a SET UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

IT WAS A DASTARDLY SET UP!

You forgot to read the whole scripture. This was a set up by these men because they KNEW that the MAN and the WOMAN had to be brought to Him.

They even said that she was caught in the VERY ACT of adultery! This means that there was a MAN present. If there was a man present then they HAD TO bring him also. They did not bring the man.

HENCE JESUS CAN NOT PRONOUNCE A DEATH SENTENCE UPON HER; IT WAS A SET UP. He could not do this for two reasons. One, the Jews did not govern themselves at this time. They were under Roman authority. Two, they were setting Him up by not bringing the Man!

I know that most people who read this have no clue about this and see this passage as only a nice thing that Jesus did. However, there is more to this story than just Jesus forgiving this woman.

So once again, this has nothing to do with the correct reading of Lev. 20 or Rom. 13. It only has to do with bad men trying to set Jesus up.

So I say again, it has no bearing on Capital Punishment.

Thank you.

SOLI DEO GLORIA.


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How is government not an inter-personal relationship? It's a relationship of a person/persons with other persons isn't it?

Do you think States are mystical entities trancending their human components or something?

In the state of Texas U.S.A., they still kill people via Capital Punishment.

So I ask you, was it two human beings having coffee and then one just straps the other down and shoots lethal chemicals into his veins? Or was it State personnel that were a part of the justice system that strapped him down and killed him???

Very easy question. Can you answer it?
 
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Sounding crazy???

Listen FG, you are starting to get a little bent here. I suggest that you calm down.

You are the one sounding very paranoid right now. Seriously.

Equating me with the Gestapo? Come on bro, lay off the coffee for today. Take a few deep breaths before you post bro. Look at the big picture and take a step back.

Calm down and smile a little. This is just conversation, this is not armed confrontation.
 
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In the state of Texas U.S.A., they still kill people via Capital Punishment.

...which is an example of people allowing the government usurp their conscience. Thinking you aren't sinning because "I'm only doing what the leader said to do!" is wrong.
tulc(unwilling to submit his conscience to someone else's will)
 
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You obviously have a problem with authority. With one fell swoop of your keyboard you smeared all Christian leaders as crazy. You as far as I can see are not truly saved. A true Christian will recognize the Word of God and understand that GOD gave us:

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]11 And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers, 12 for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ, --Eph. 4.

So your words are hollow, they have no authority. Your rebuke means absolutely nothing.

Here is something that does mean something though.

[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]1 Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same. 4 For he is God's minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God's minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil. 5 Therefore you must be subject, not only because of wrath but also for conscience' sake. 6 For because of this you also pay taxes, for they are God's ministers attending continually to this very thing. --ROMANS 13

AWESOME!!!
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