Covenant Renewal

BABerean2 said:

G3501
νέος, νεώτερος
neos neōteros
neh'-os, neh-o'-ter-os
A primary word, including the comparative (second form); “new”, that is, (of persons) youthful, or (of things) fresh; figuratively regenerate: - new, young.
Total KJV occurrences: 24

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BABerean2 said:

G2537
καινός
kainos
kahee-nos'
Of uncertain affinity; new (especially in freshness; while G3501 is properly so with respect to age): - new.
Total KJV occurrences: 44

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Do you believe these lexicons overturn the Testimony of the Messiah in the Gospel accounts?

neos new wine
kainos renewed-repurposed wine skins

You have the lexicons of men.
I have the Logos of Elohim.

BABerean2 said:

We have you now.

We can throw away our Bibles.

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Is that what you plan to say before the Master when you stand before him at the Bema? Who am I? And is it really me whom you ridicule? I merely pointed you to what he says and teaches in the Gospel accounts. You can ridicule me all you want but that isn't going to work for you at the Bema.

BABerean2 said:

Anyone who claims those who do not agree with them are not really Christians have revealed their doctrine to be a cult.

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Anyone who uses scripture to insinuate that those who disagree with him are bewitched has run out of arguments. And who taught you that you will not stand at the Bema of Messiah? Luke 19:11-28.

Matthew 10:22, Ephesians 1:13-14, Philippians 3:13-15
1 Corinthians 3:10-15, 2 Corinthians 5:10

And since you now strongly imply that I hold the doctrine of a cult you obviously do not believe me to be "saved" according to your judgment.

Renewed Covenant Teaching of the Messiah:

Matthew 15:18-19 KJV
18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:

Did you catch that? Even murders come forth from the heart, and proceed out of the mouth: and such things defile the man.

So it appears the Torah was made for you, killer.

1 Timothy 1:8-11 KJV
8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;
9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
11 According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.

And we know according to Paul that the letter kills: but you must be willing to allow that to happen, otherwise how will you live? for the Most High says, "I kill and I make alive", and some of us know that He does both together, by putting to death your old man carnal minded nature, who is already killing you anyway.

BABerean2 said:

What percentage of a man's salvation is based on what Christ did at Calvary, and what percentage of the man's salvation is based upon his own works?

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What does this mean to you?

Hebrews 10:35-39 KJV
35 Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompence of reward.
36 For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.
37 For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry.
38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him. [Habakkuk 2:3-4 LXX]
39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

When exactly was it that you received the promise? When you first believed? Not according to Paul. And what exactly is the will of God according to this passage? And what is the will of God according to Paul? Do you know?

BABerean2 said:

There is only one answer which reveals the true Gospel.

Gal 3:1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?
Gal 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
Gal 3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

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You don't understand the scripture you quote: you would have done much better to heed the things already shown to you from the scripture. My faith is not according to "the works of the law" no matter how many times you try to pin that false accusation on me. My understanding is according to the Spirit which you are apparently not able to see or grasp.

BABerean2 said:

Gal 3:1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?
Gal 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
Gal 3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

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Same context:

Galatians 3:24-4:2 ASV
24 So that the law is become our tutor to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But now that faith is come, we are no longer under a tutor.
26 For ye are all sons of God, through faith, in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ did put on Christ.
28 There can be neither Jew nor Greek, there can be neither bond nor free, there can be no male and female; for ye all are one man in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye are Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, heirs according to promise.
01 But I say that so long as the heir is a child, he differeth nothing from a bondservant though he is lord of all;
02 but is under guardians and stewards until the day appointed of the father.

Galatians 4:1-2 KJV
1 Now I say, That the heir, as long as he is a child, differeth nothing from a servant, though he be lord of all;
2 But is under tutors and governors until the time appointed of the father.

Uh oh, you appear to have been deceived by a mere chapter break that was inserted by men. You are under tutors, governors, stewards, and the schoolmaster, (the Torah), until the time appointed of the Father when a babe or child becomes a tried, true, and tested son: for the Torah has become our schoolmaster unto Messiah.

Without undergoing the Torah and allowing the Torah to put to death your old man nature, as Paul himself also did, your view is impossible even according to Paul. That's what happens when a spoiled child is allowed to eat cake and ice-cream for breakfast, lunch, and dinner: don't let that be you. It sure looks as though you've made up your own gospel by cherry-picking passages and wresting the words and writings of Paul: don't let that be you. Please review 2 Peter 3:13-16.

BABerean2 said:

You are ignoring the context of Galatians 3:16-29 where Paul reveals the temporary nature of the Sinai Covenant.

Paul said the law was "added" 430 years "after" the promise made to Abraham "until" the seed (Christ) could come to whom the promise was made.

Gal 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
Gal 3:18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
Gal 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

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That's personal and individual, just as is all of the Gospel, to each in his or her own appointed times: the time appointed of the Father when a child becomes a son, as Paul touches on in Galatians 4:1-2, as already shown several times now. It's also understood from the Luke passage quoted in my previous post concerning from where Paul gets his understanding of the Bema.

BABerean2 said:

Based on this fact, the law was Israel's tutor until Christ came.

You are ignoring the word "till" in the passage, which is the same word Jesus used in Matthew 5:18.

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The text doesn't say was in Gal 3:24, but rather, is become or has become. The Torah has become our schoolmaster or tutor into/unto Messiah. I am truly sorry this one little fact is so hard for antinomians to believe, but if you love God and His Word, and indeed you seek the truth, you will look into it for yourself in earnest prayer, with an open heart, and find the truth, and believe it.

BABerean2 said:

You have claimed those who do not agree with your are not really Christians.

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That's not true: it's a false accusation.

BABerean2 said:

Now you are claiming those who do not agree with you are lawless. Nothing could be further from the truth.

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By antinomian I mean those who are against the Torah in that they claim it is either obsolete, abolished, done away with, etc., etc., which you openly confess.

BABerean2 said:

Do you think Jesus was lawless when He worked on the Sabbath day to heal a man?

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No. Do you think that means he abolished the law?

BABerean2 said:

Would you be one of those who would persecute the Son of God, like the Pharisees?

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Who is persecuting who? I have been quoting his words while you have been ignoring them in favor of your interpretations of men.

BABerean2 said:

Joh 5:16 And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day.
Joh 5:17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.

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And?

BABerean2 said:

You continue to ignore or explain away the passages that kill your doctrine.

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Anyone can go back and read this thread and see that it is you who is ignoring the scripture, in everything presented, which refutes what you have chosen to believe despite what the scripture says.

BABerean2 said:

1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

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How can you keep the commandments of the Father when you say they are abolished, done away, or obsolete?

1 John 3:21-23 ASV
21 Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, we have boldness toward God;
22 and whatsoever we ask we receive of him, because we keep his commandments and do the things that are pleasing in his sight.
23 And this is his commandment, that we should believe in the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, even as he gave us commandment.

Again, you've not understood what you are reading: and you use your misunderstandings of what you read to bear false witness against those who disagree with your readings of the scripture such as myself.

BABerean2 said:

You have claimed those who do not agree with your are not really Christians.

Now you are claiming those who do not agree with you are lawless. Nothing could be further from the truth. Do you think Jesus was lawless when He worked on the Sabbath day to heal a man? Would you be one of those who would persecute the Son of God, like the Pharisees?

Joh 5:16 And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day.
Joh 5:17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.

You continue to ignore or explain away the passages that kill your doctrine.


1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

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Moreover why would I quote something that I myself do not believe? I don't quote things I don't believe and I believe all of the scripture, (just not every translation in every situation). Here again is what I fully believe regarding these things from Post#46 above which you ignored.

Galatians 3:24-4:2 ASV
24 So that the law is become our tutor to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But now that faith is come, we are no longer under a tutor.
26 For ye are all sons of God, through faith, in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ did put on Christ.
28 There can be neither Jew nor Greek, there can be neither bond nor free, there can be no male and female; for ye all are one man in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye are Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, heirs according to promise.
01 But I say that so long as the heir is a child, he differeth nothing from a bondservant though he is lord of all;
02 but is under guardians and stewards until the day appointed of the father.

Go learn the difference, according to the scripture, between a babe, a child, and a son, (especially in the writings of Paul). And moreover, because you are foolishly judging others despite the warnings from both the Messiah and Paul, (Matthew 7:1-5, Romans 2:1-11), you automatically bring judgment upon yourself. And the judgment is this: that concerning the following passages, you have proven that they apply to you.

1 Corinthians 3:1-3 KJV
1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.
2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?

Hebrews 5:11-13 KJV
11 Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing.
12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.

That isn't saying you are not saved, but babes should not be running around pointing their fingers and falsely judging men when the babe doesn't know what he is talking about: acquit yourself like a man, (1 Corinthians 16:13), and study to show yourself approved unto God, (2 Timothy 2:15), rightly dividing the word of truth.

daq said:

Amen!

Luke 5:37-39 ASV
37 And no man putteth new [νεος] wine into old wine-skins; else the new [νεος] wine will burst the skins and itself will be spilled, and the skins will perish.
38 But new [νεος] wine must be put into fresh [καινος] wine-skins.
39 And no man having drunk old wine desireth new; [νεος] for he saith, The old is good.

Testimony of the Son:
νεος = new
καινος = refreshed, renewed

The skin must be repurposed because, well, quite obviously, it formerly belonged to an animal, a goat or sheep, (usually a goat). The skin was carefully removed from the goat after its head and legs were cut off, (in order to avoid cutting the belly). Then the skin was tanned by soaking it in acidic vegetable oils, then the hair cut as short as possible or removed, and then the skin was rinsed in running water and sewed up and dried, and then filled with new wine, νεος-new wine. And since the wine created gas as it fermented within the skin, the wine skin was forced to stretch, and therefore could not be used again for new wine because the overstretching of the skin would cause it to burst.

The other companion passages are all the same, neos wine and kainos wine skins: there is no legitimate reason not to believe the Testimony of the Son of God in these passages. Are there excuses? Yes, plenty, but I think I have already heard them all before, unless of course you surprise me with something brand new, (neos).

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1 Samuel 11:4 KJV
14 Then said Samuel to the people, Come, and let us go to Gilgal, and renew [H2318 hadash (verb)] the kingdom there.

H2318 חָדַשׁ chadash (chaw-dash') v.
1. to be new.
2. (causatively) to rebuild.
[a primitive root]
KJV: renew, repair.

1 Samuel 11:4 LXX (Brenton Translation)
14 And Samuel spoke to the people, saying, Let us go to Galgala, and there renew the kingdom.

1 Samuel 11:4 OG LXX
14 και ειπεν σαμουηλ προς τον λαον λεγων πορευθωμεν εις γαλγαλα και εγκαινισωμεν εκει την βασιλειαν

G1457 ἐγκαινίζω egkainizo (eng-kai-niy'-zō) v.
to inaugurate.
[from G1456]
KJV: consecrate, dedicate

G1456 = ἐγκαίνια egkainia (eng-kai'-niy-a) n.
[neuter plural of a presumed compound from G1722 and G2537]

G2537 = καινός kainos (kai-nos') adj.

BABerean2 said:

A babe has to ignore part of the passage (Galatians 3:16-23) in order to hang onto the Old Covenant, and at the same time accuse others of being foolish...

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From the OP:

Jeremiah 3:19
19 But I said, How shall I put you among the sons, and give you a pleasant land, a goodly heritage among the hosts of nations? and I said, You shall call Me Abbi, (my Father), and shall not turn away from Me.

So then, in the renewed covenant way of Messiah, according to his interpretation of the covenant in all his Testimony in the Gospel accounts: we are given the power to become sons of Elohim.

John 1:12-13 KJV
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

And Paul surely agrees with this when he says what he says in Galatians 4:1-2, for if the old way was likened to a wedding covenant, the new way is likened to a Bar-mitzvah: the appointed time when a babe or child becomes a tried, true, and tested son. No father puts his untested son in charge of all his goods; even though the child is to become master of all things.

BABerean2 said:

You fail to understand there are two different sets of commandments in the verse below.
Joh 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
Once again, nothing about a "renewed" covenant in the words of Christ above.

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The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he sees the Father doing: for whatever the Father does, these the Son also does in like manner, for the Father loves the Son, and shows him all things that He Himself does. And the Father does not change.

BABerean2 said:

Act 15:24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:

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You sure do seem angry. By the way, I am of the circumcision: are you?

BABerean2 said:

I am of the circumcision made without hands in the passage below.

Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
Rom 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

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I don't believe you. You are here in this thread proving that you are not what you say. You also prove it by trying to claim for yourself all the things I have already told you that I myself believe. You cannot have it both ways. Did I not just tell you above that I would not quote as evidence things that I myself do not believe? and that I do indeed believe all of the scripture. We are the circumcision, not you who walk according to the flesh: please review the whole thread, but particularly posts #26 and #34.

daq said:

What happened to Paul? What if I am saying what he says? Who therefore is ignoring so much of what he actually says to formulate his own man-made doctrine? Yes. thank God we have the Word of God so that unbiased witnesses here can judge the truth for themselves.

Salvation is of the Yhudim and the Father must be worshiped and honored in Spirit. If you walk according to the flesh you will die.

John 4:22-24 KJV
22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

True circumcision and true Yhudim according to Paul:

Romans 2:28-29 KJV
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

True Yisrael and true children of Abraham according to Paul:

Romans 9:1-8 KJV
1 I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost,
2 That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart.
3 For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:
4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;
5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

Walk according to the Spirit: for if you walk according to the flesh you will die.

Romans 8:4-14 KJV
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Revelation 2:8-9 KJV
8 And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;
9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Poor partially blind Ephraim, a heifer that loves to tread out the grain, and when the fullness of the heathen have entered in, then shall come out of Zion the Deliverer: for in this manner shall all Yisrael be delivered.

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daq said:

I didn't say that it doesn't say what it says but you sure did an excellent job slaying your strawman.

Galatians 2:16 KJV
16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

If you had actually heard* what I have previously said concerning "the works of the law" you would not have assumed what you mistakenly did.

*To hear with intelligence and understanding.

Again, "the works of the law" is an idiom for the outward Pharisee way of understanding everything according to the natural mind of the natural man who sees all things according to the flesh and eyes and mind of the flesh. The "works of the law" begin with physical circumcision, and continue with all the outward teachings of the Pharisaic way of understanding, which is the wrong interpretation of the Torah according to the Testimony of the Messiah in the Gospel accounts.

Romans 2:28-29 ASV
28 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision which is outward in the flesh:
29 but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Romans 15:8-9 ASV
8 For I say that Christ hath been made a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, that he might confirm the promises given unto the fathers,
9 and that the Gentiles might glorify God for his mercy; as it is written, Therefore will I give praise unto thee among the Gentiles, And sing unto thy name.

Philippians 3:3 ASV
3 for we are the circumcision, who worship by the Spirit of God, and glory in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh:

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John 4:22-24 KJV
22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

True circumcision and true Yhudim according to Paul:

Romans 2:28-29 KJV
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

True Yisrael and true children of Abraham according to Paul:

Romans 9:1-8 KJV
1 I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost,
2 That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart.
3 For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:
4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;
5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

Walk according to the Spirit: for if you walk according to the flesh you will die.

Romans 8:4-14 KJV
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Revelation 2:8-9 KJV
8 And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;
9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Galatians 2:16 KJV
16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Romans 2:28-29 ASV
28 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision which is outward in the flesh:
29 but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Romans 15:8-9 ASV
8 For I say that Christ hath been made a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, that he might confirm the promises given unto the fathers,
9 and that the Gentiles might glorify God for his mercy; as it is written, Therefore will I give praise unto thee among the Gentiles, And sing unto thy name.

Philippians 3:3 ASV
3 for we are the circumcision, who worship by the Spirit of God, and glory in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh:

These are all part of my doctrine which you have said is the doctrine of a cult. Sorry for your luck, killer, you do not get to have your cake and eat it too in this thread. You have lost all credibility and are doing nothing more than bloviating.

LoveGodsWord said:

Indeed, I do not understand how anyone can believe yet follow the false teachings of lawlessness (without law). It is a false teaching written no where in the bible.

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Those who do such are only able to justify doing so by reading the writings of Paul according to the letter, and as Paul says, the letter kills. We have a good example here in how BABerean2 reads the phrase "cast out the bondwoman", which he reads according to the letter, and even reads the statement from Paul as if it is a new law given to him by Paul. He ignores the warnings of Paul, and reads the statement according to the natural mind: and because he interprets the bondwoman as the whole Torah, reading the statement like a modern day Pharisee, the statement when read as a law or commandment slays him, for his interpretation and understanding of what Paul says and means is entirely incorrect. He walks according to the flesh and not according to the Spirit. There is reasoning, logic, and wisdom in the context, and those who ignore the reasoning, logic and wisdom of Elohim always end up inserting their own reasoning, logic, and wisdom of the natural minded man into the text.

When we go look into the background context, as already mentioned to BA and warned about, his view is utter buffoonery. Are we to suppose that Sarah is prophesying through those words to Abraham that Abraham is to cast out the Torah of Elohim? Lol.

Genesis 21:9-10 KJV
9 And Sarah saw the son of Hagar the Egyptian, which she had born unto Abraham, mocking.
10 Wherefore she said unto Abraham, Cast out this bondwoman and her son: for the son of this bondwoman shall not be heir with my son, even with Isaac.

Are we to believe that Elohim brought the children of Yisrael out of the bondage of Egypt just to immediately place them under the "bondage of the Torah"? This is the reasoning of the natural minded man who reads the Torah according to the letter and seeks to find a way to abolish or do away with the Torah of Elohim because he cannot understand it with the natural mind. Howbeit the same will also read everything else according to the letter, and therefore, he doesn't even understand the letters of Paul.

I just went and searched for a good article on "the letter" and came up with the following speech by John Piper, Chancellor, Bethlehem College and Seminary, (Baptist). "Every Letter Kills, Including Shakespheare", lol, yep, and as he says, but the Spirit gives life.

Every Letter Kills, Including Shakespeare: Pressing Through Texts in the Power of the Spirit