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Today I spoke to this guy on the internet who said he's a karaty jew or something like that. They have a website but I forgot to write down the URL. The guy said my tallit-katan is not kosher because it doesn't have a blue thread in it. Asked mom she said we don't have the right dye to make the blue thread according to tradition. The guy said Torah doesn't say specify the dye only to add a blue dye. Dad said we don't need to keep everything there is in the Torah. Who's right? What about those karaty jews? What do they believe in?

The guy said I'm supposed to let my beard grow. Our rabbi doesn't have a beard. Says G-d no longer requires that we grow our beards. Dad agrees. Mom says our rabbi is an idiot. I don't wanna grow my beard. The other kids will make fun of me at school. Do I like *have to* grow it?
 

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Whichever you choose to be faithful too, traditional interpretation or your interpretation, be faithful to that.

I too can provide equally challenging arguments for either side. I have decided to follow the traditional merely because there is more "weight" (thousands of years of scholoarship) than my own interpretation. This doesn't mean I toss my brain out of the window. I just don't feel there is sufficient evidence to absolutely declare one way or another.

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aha, I suppose you mean "karaite" Jews. They reject the Talmud aka the Oral Torah and halacha, though ironically go on to create millions of their own halacha based on the Torah to follow also.

You dont have to grow your beard, have you thought of just growing "payos"? In other words letting your sideburns grow untill they are very long, that would be a fulfillment of the mitzvah regarding length of hair. As for what your dad said, the Torah is eternall and is ment to be followed to the best of your ability. Noone can follow all of it but we can do as much as possible.

Remember what the Talmud says:
"A person might look at all the Torah stretching in front of him and give up, saying, "How can I do all that?" But the wise person will learn 2 things today, 2 tomorrow, and soon will have achieved more than he could have imagined."

Shalom and G-d bless
~Hix~
 
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Never get lost in the do's and don'ts when your eyes are to be fixed upon the Lord. As you have been counselled, this relationship that you have with the Lord is personal and one that you have developed. You will find as you grow closer to the Almighty, the more you will be free to express your love for His Word and wise counsel. Pray for the Lord to lead you in this, and remember to honour thy father and thy mother, for they have many years of experience coming from both perspectives and can help you find a balance that will be spiritual benefit for your life with God.
 
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LittleJew said:
The guy said I'm supposed to let my beard grow. Our rabbi doesn't have a beard. Says G-d no longer requires that we grow our beards. Dad agrees. Mom says our rabbi is an idiot. I don't wanna grow my beard. The other kids will make fun of me at school. Do I like *have to* grow it?
That's funny, because the karaites don't interpret those verses in Leviticus to mean never trim your beard...they believe them to mean that you shouldn't shave your beard or cut your hair as a sign of mourning.
 
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[QUOTE=LittleJew]My gf says she'll dump me if I became an orthodox she thinks being an orthodox means letting your beard grow.
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LJ, as a mother of a 14 year old son, I have to state that I am more concerned about the many Mizvot having a girl friend could lead you to breaking. :( You list your age as 15, nu?

Yasmine
 
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LittleJew said:
Today I spoke to this guy on the internet who said he's a karaty jew or something like that. They have a website but I forgot to write down the URL. The guy said my tallit-katan is not kosher because it doesn't have a blue thread in it. Asked mom she said we don't have the right dye to make the blue thread according to tradition. The guy said Torah doesn't say specify the dye only to add a blue dye. Dad said we don't need to keep everything there is in the Torah. Who's right? What about those karaty jews? What do they believe in?

The guy said I'm supposed to let my beard grow. Our rabbi doesn't have a beard. Says G-d no longer requires that we grow our beards. Dad agrees. Mom says our rabbi is an idiot. I don't wanna grow my beard. The other kids will make fun of me at school. Do I like *have to* grow it?

Yep, you're talking about Karaites, to which I'd have to say that I'm most similar to in terms of Jewish denominations. What we both believe in common is that the Written Torah is the final authority, rejecting parts or the whole of Oral Torah (Mishnah, Gemara, etc.).

For example, if I were to look at Leviticus where it says to use a blue thread, I use a blue thread. I do not adhere to the Oral teaching that a specific blue dye must be used, as I see that it is nowhere commanded in Written Torah, and the hue of the dye made from mollusks is separately defined as "purple" in many places throughout the Tanakh.

As for keeping everything that is in the Torah, I have seen that it was clear that YHWH wishes everyone to follow the entirety of the Law of Moses to the best of their ability, so (for example) Karaites and myself keep the Passover by actually eating lamb instead of just having the shankbone as mourning for the Temple.

As for the verses concerning shaving one's beard, a literal reading of the Hebrew talks about not bashing ones head on the sides (no mention of sideburns) and (literally) destroying the edge of one's beard (not the normal verb for shaving or cutting hair), in other words, good hygiene (again, my own honest reading).

Many Karaites and Karaite-like Jews (especially Messianics) don't wear Talits (Katan or otherwise) but affix tzitzyot to the extremities of their everyday clothing, and don't wear kippot.

As a result, many people see these interpretations as additional halacha, but they are in no ways used as legal rulings. My philosophy, for one, is that if God intended us to all be cookie-cutter beings he wouldn't have given us choice.

In the end, the Law of Moses is something that is not to be contained within empty ritual, or striving to be justified before God through adherence to its statues. Adherence to GOD has to be something you have in your innermost being, as Jesus teaches, and that will in turn lead you down the proper path.

Shlomo,
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LittleJew said:
Doesn't Lev 19:27 forbid us to shave? Still I don't know that I'm ready to let my beard grow. My gf says she'll dump me if I became an orthodox she thinks being an orthodox means letting your beard grow.

Many people look in to standard Bible translations and see:

27 You shall not cut the hair on the sides of your heads, neither shall you clip off the edge of your beard.
28 “‘You shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor tattoo any marks on you. I am Yahweh.

But looking at the Hebrew behind "cut the hair on the sides of your heads" we see no mention of hair at all. Instead it says "destroy (litterally, violently beat down with FORCE) the corners of your head."

Likewise, "clip off the edge of your beard" is litterally "decay/let-rot the corners of your beard."

In both instances, the normal word for cutting or shaving is completely absent.

Aren't we breaking the Torah if we don't add the blue thread to our tallitot? Nu 15:38

There are many things that I, personally, see that way. For example, again on Passover, we're told to eat it in haste as it is YHWH's Passover, but I have yet to see a traditional Seder that lasts under several hours. :)

I tie my tzitzyot with blue thread, and in a variety of different ways, as the only command in Written Torah is to make tassels tied with blue cord.

All of this IMHO,
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SeekingTorah said:
LittleJew said:
[My gf says she'll dump me if I became an orthodox she thinks being an orthodox means letting your beard grow.

LJ, as a mother of a 14 year old son, I have to state that I am more concerned about the many Mizvot having a girl friend could lead you to breaking. :( You list your age as 15, nu?

Yasmine

I have to agree with you 100% Yasmine. ;)

Shlomo,
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