Correcting Christian Leaders.

probinson · Apr 1, 2010

Dash Riprock said:
you seem to be a defensive witness for leaders only,of the same genre.

I do?

I seriously think you either lack the ability to comprehend, are not paying attention to the discussion, or you're purposefully misrepresenting what I said, because I said this yesterday in post #76 of this thread quite clearly (emphasis added);

probinson said:
I would agree with you that Pharisees can appear in any form. Some are pastors. Some are on leadership teams and church boards. Some are sitting in the pew right next to you.

It behooves us to be able to recognize (and confront) Pharisees, no matter where they are. It is also imperative that we keep a watchful eye on ourselves (see Galatians 6) to identify and deal with our own Pharisaical tendencies before doing so.

Dash Riprock said:
What about having compassion on those who were deeply wounded by "leaders"?

We're not talking about them in this thread. This thread's topic is talking about correcting Christian leaders.

Besides, attacking the leaders that have "deeply wounded" people is not "having compassion" toward them.

Interestingly enough, shortly after all this stuff came out about Todd Bentley, there were people who posted on this forum about how God was healing any wounds they had, and the incessant attack on Bentley and the revival was simply reopening wounds. IOW, the very people that these people were purporting to help were being HURT EVEN MORE. But no one really cared, and they just kept right on going. Now, most of those people have moved on, because of the "compassion" shown toward them.

Dash Riprock said:
I posted ample clear scripture,to which you only gave a semantical reply.

You must be joking. Look back through the thread and you'll see all kinds of scripture in my posts. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it was "semantical".

probinson · Apr 1, 2010

Simon Peter said:
Pete, I have previously defined "dirty politics" as (and I quote):

you will have to put up with hearing criticism, objections, and accusations that you disagree with.

Ah. So you've redefined "dirty politics". It's hard to keep up when the definitions of terms keep changing.

Most people would probably define "dirty politics" as follows;

Few campaigns in the modern era have been completely free of dirty politics, which generally means the use of slander, libel, forgery, or other potentially criminal acts to embarrass a political rival. Since both candidates may engage in dirty politics during a election year, the losing candidate rarely pursues legal action after the election is over. While voters may be offended by the use of dirty politics, political campaigns are notoriously outcome-oriented, suggesting that the candidate should use any and all means necessary to guarantee a win.

Source: What are Some Examples of Dirty Politics?

Most people don't think of "disagreements" or "objections" when they think of "dirty politics". Perhaps it would behoove you to find a term which more accurately reflects your position.

Dash Riprock · Apr 1, 2010

probinson said:
I do?

I seriously think you either lack the ability to comprehend, are not paying attention to the discussion, or you're purposefully misrepresenting what I said, because I said this yesterday in post #76 of this thread quite clearly (emphasis added);

We're not talking about them in this thread. This thread's topic is talking about correcting Christian leaders.

Besides, attacking the leaders that have "deeply wounded" people is not "having compassion" toward them.

Interestingly enough, shortly after all this stuff came out about Todd Bentley, there were people who posted on this forum about how God was healing any wounds they had, and the incessant attack on Bentley and the revival was simply reopening wounds. IOW, the very people that these people were purporting to help were being HURT EVEN MORE. But no one really cared, and they just kept right on going. Now, most of those people have moved on, because of the "compassion" shown toward them.

You must be joking. Look back through the thread and you'll see all kinds of scripture in my posts. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it was "semantical".

Stop avoiding the obvious please.Are people that are into MR Bentley,of the same beilefs as your denomination?Are the very like minded? Very Similar?

And please reply to the citations I posted, that cleayl show we should confront leaders.Let me know if you wish for me to repost them,so we can have a straight foward convsersation.

probinson · Apr 1, 2010

Dash Riprock said:
Stop avoiding the obvious please.Are people that are into MR Bentley,of the same beilefs as your denomination?Are the very like minded? Very Similar?

Why do you want to know? If you answer that (obvious) question, I'll answer yours. If you're not willing to tell me why you want to know, then I'll continue to ignore this completely irrelevant question.

Dash Riprock said:
And please reply to the citations I posted, that cleayl show we should confront leaders.Let me know if you wish for me to repost them,so we can have a straight foward convsersation.

I'm not inclined to respond to your "citations" when you've largely ignored just about everything I've said and not bothered to address my "citations".

Dash Riprock · Apr 1, 2010

probinson said:
Why do you want to know? If you answer that (obvious) question, I'll answer yours. If you're not willing to tell me why you want to know, then I'll continue to ignore this completely irrelevant question.

I'm not inclined to respond to your "citations" when you've largely ignored just about everything I've said and not bothered to address my "citations".

Mr Probinson.

Please examine these citations.It is fair to presume they were teachers,and assumesd a role of leadership,or authority.

Also note the derogatory language in the texts.

Do these show how Christians should confront leaders,with the obvious presumption,that they were the “Christian" "anointed",or "apostles", "prophets" "teachers" or "men from God”?

Or do we shrink back,with the fear of reprisal,of being labeled a "pharisee"?

Also,a straight foward answer about the Mr Bentley association would be helpful too.Thank you.

Acts 20:29I know that after my departure fierce wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock; 30 and from among your own selves will arise men speaking twisted things, to draw away the disciples after them.

2 Peter 2:1 But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction.

2 Corinthians 11;13 For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ.

Romans 16;18 For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naïve

1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, through the insincerity of liars whose consciences are seared

2 Timothy 4:3 For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions,

Titus 1:10For there are many who are insubordinate, empty talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision party. 11 They must be silenced, since they are upsetting whole families by teaching for shameful gain what they ought not to teach.

Galatians 2:4 Yet because of false brothers secretly brought in—who slipped in to spy out our freedom that we have in Christ Jesus, so that they might bring us into slavery—

enoch son · Apr 1, 2010

probinson said:
A combination of a butt and a bottom?

My feeling also!

probinson · Apr 1, 2010

Dash Riprock said:
Mr Probinson.

Please examine these citations.It is fair to presume they were teachers,and assumesd a role of leadership,or authority.

Also note the derogatory language in the texts.

Do these show how Christians should confront leaders,with the obvious presumption,that they were the “Christian" "anointed",or "apostles", "prophets" "teachers" or "men from God”?

It's a bit like talking to a wall...

probinson said:
I would agree with you that Pharisees can appear in any form. Some are pastors. Some are on leadership teams and church boards. Some are sitting in the pew right next to you.

It behooves us to be able to recognize (and confront) Pharisees, no matter where they are. It is also imperative that we keep a watchful eye on ourselves (see Galatians 6) to identify and deal with our own Pharisaical tendencies before doing so.

enoch son · Apr 1, 2010

and the real ones only want to drink of the water.

nephilimiyr · Apr 1, 2010

Mr Riprock

I.....I don't know, I just wanted to say
Mr Riprock

Dash Riprock · Apr 2, 2010

probinson said:
I wish I knew.

I recently found this e-book which you might find interesting. It talks about the very things you just said. It is an absolutely excellent book on the topic, and was well worth the $12.95 I spent;

Ebook, The New Pharisaism: How Spiritual Bullies Attack the Church

BTW, in case I haven't said it yet, it's good to see you back posting!

.

Dash Riprock · Apr 2, 2010

probinson said:
It's a bit like talking to a wall...

However,this quote of yours about confronting ,"no matter who they are",came after our conversation about pharisees and bullies,which you introduced earlier on the thread.See the above post where I quoted you.

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