Cop Shoots Unarmed Caretaker of Autistic Man

[dgiharris]

Rhttp://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/crime/article90905442.html?ref=yfp

As a populace we really need to turn the spotlight on "Police procedure".

Imagine if there were no video , what creative fictional police report would have been written?

As a society we have gone way beyond giving police "the benefit of the doubt" and are in the realm of "well, whatever they say...that must be the way it happened". The consequences of our complacency is the evolution of police procedures, police techniques, and police culture that puts an insane amount of risk and burden on the citizenry .

Another by-product is reverse darwinism. The system fosters incompetence, laziness, bullying, hyper-violent response, egomaniac behavior, etc. Note; I am not saying all police are like the above. There are good cops out there. But what I am saying is the system enables an environment in which bad cops can thrive.

We need to look beyond singular incidents and ask the bigger question. What sort of institutional factors enable these incidents to happen over and over again. What type of police culture must exist for these incidents to keep happening?

Basically, all that is required to kill a citizen is a phone call to police "alleging" that someone has a gun. Despite the fact that in a lot of states, open carry is actually legal.

 

[aieyiamfu]

Very sad story. Cop needs a long time in a cage for a stunt like that and the city needs to pay at least one hundred million to the injured party.

 

[Goonie]

Just seen this news story, astonishing! Three shots fired, two misses, one leg wound. Clearly lousy police marksmanship saved his life, they will be in trouble for both shooting in the first place, and missing in the second

 

[Goonie]

Just seen this news story, astonishing! Three shots fired, two misses, one leg wound. Clearly lousy police marksmanship saved his life, they will be in trouble for both shooting in the first place, and missing in the second

Oh and reading deeper they also shot the wrong person as well

 

[joshua 1 9]

Very sad story. Cop needs a long time in a cage for a stunt like that and the city needs to pay at least one hundred million to the injured party.

$300,000 is the going rate. The problem is that you would jam up the system with everyone trying to sue the city.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Oh and reading deeper they also shot the wrong person as well

Did you expect that they were going to get it right?

 

[SummerMadness]

They shot him, handcuffed him, and then let him bleed out for 20 minutes. The call is still the same, police departments are in serious need of reform. There is no circumstance under which shooting an unarmed man with his hands up is acceptable.

 

[Goonie]

Breaking news photo of officers involved released...

 

[aieyiamfu]

$300,000 is the going rate. The problem is that you would jam up the system with everyone trying to sue the city.

Jammed up cities and huge judgements are the best way currently to end this nonsense. The system is broke now it needs broken down.

 

[SummerMadness]

I'm sure the usual suspects will chime in to defend incompetence.

 

[aieyiamfu]

They shot him, handcuffed him, and then let him bleed out for 20 minutes. The call is still the same, police departments are in serious need of reform. There is no circumstance under which shooting an unarmed man with his hands up is acceptable.

There is no situation where shooting an unarmed man is acceptable period. If cops are too weak to do their jobs get a better PT standard for them.

 

[aieyiamfu]

I'm sure the usual suspects will chime in to defend incompetence.

Incompetence is indefensible.

 

[Goonie]

I'm sure the usual suspects will chime in to defend incompetence.

I doubt it, the police were doubly incompetent.
1. Opening fire in the first place.
2. Missing, and hitting the wrong target.

I doubt anybody will defend these keystone cops.

 

[aieyiamfu]

I doubt it, the police were doubly incompetent.
1. Opening fire in the first place.
2. Missing, and hitting the wrong target.

I doubt anybody will defend these keystone cops.

I have heard people defend worse, so it would not be a real shock.

 

[Goonie]

I have heard people defend worse, so it would not be a real shock.

This is a case that is hard for any side to defend. Since for those who would defend the police opening fire, have to contend with the fact that they missed their target not once, but all three times, and they managed to shoot someone not being aimed at!

So it will be interesting seeing someone justify it. Any takers?

 

[dgiharris]

I have heard people defend worse, so it would not be a real shock.

Here, let me start the defense with the typical...
"But we don't know all the facts!!!"

That is the usual opening rally cry of indefensible police actions. We have 80% - 90% of the important information but because we don't have 100% of all the information we should hold off accusing the police of wrong doing. Ironically the same criteria isn't necessary to support police action. All you need to support it is the "maybe" that the officer "believed" he was in danger. In fact, this belief doesn't even have to be reasonable or right for the cop to be justified in killing citizens. And then, after killing the citizen we dig into the victim's past to find something that magically removes his Civil and Constitutional Rights. Nevermind there is no way the officer could have had that info at the time, nevermind that even if the officer magically knew said info that doesn't change the facts of the situation in which the officer is responding to. The information of a victim's past acts (which if criminal he already paid his debt to society by serving his sentence and being released) should not impact how an officer enforces the law because said officer should be using standard police procedure. ..

But alas that is the problem for it seems that standardize police procedure is biased to put majority of risk and burden on the citizen. Hence these hair trigger "I thought he was reaching for a gun" shootings and violent force responses by police when not warranted...

 

[dgiharris]

Wow, I just read the updated accounts.

It is remarkable that the man lived. Being shot in the leg and then being unable to press down on your own wound "because you are handcuffed" and bleeding out for 20 minutes is a death sentence if any major vein or artery was hit. Hell, even if a normal vein or artery is hit that will kill you. Hell, even a flesh wound would allow you to bleed to death under right circumstances.

I would like to see police procedure change to the following.

When police shoot a suspect, and the scene is under control, police MUST RENDER AID IMMEDIATELY.
Seriously this man could have died. In fact, odds are he should have died. Three shots fired, one hit him in the leg, forced to bleed out for 20 minutes. I mean, wow. Seriously, this may just be about the most incompetent use of police force in the history of citizen-police encounters.

 

[aieyiamfu]

Here, let me start the defense with the typical...
"But we don't know all the facts!!!"

That is the usual opening rally cry of indefensible police actions. We have 80% - 90% of the important information but because we don't have 100% of all the information we should hold off accusing the police of wrong doing. Ironically the same criteria isn't necessary to support police action. All you need to support it is the "maybe" that the officer "believed" he was in danger. In fact, this belief doesn't even have to be reasonable or right for the cop to be justified in killing citizens. And then, after killing the citizen we dig into the victim's past to find something that magically removes his Civil and Constitutional Rights. Nevermind there is no way the officer could have had that info at the time, nevermind that even if the officer magically knew said info that doesn't change the facts of the situation in which the officer is responding to. The information of a victim's past acts (which if criminal he already paid his debt to society by serving his sentence and being released) should not impact how an officer enforces the law because said officer should be using standard police procedure. ..

But alas that is the problem for it seems that standardize police procedure is biased to out majority of risk and burden on the citizen. Hence these hair trigger "I thought he was reaching for a gun" shootings and violent force responses by police when not warranted...

Amen

 

[brinny]

God have mercy! i have no words.

Praying.

(This is heartbreaking in soooo many ways. Please do not use this tragedy to push an agenda. And let's not go there about the "usual suspects".)

Our entire country needs help.

God help us.

(there should've been a crisis response officer (BEST officer) for the mentally ill sent to the scene if the claim was that someone had a gun and was threatening to kill theirself.)

 

[aieyiamfu]

Wow, I just read the updated accounts.

It is remarkable that the man lived. Being shot in the leg and then being unable to press down on your own wound "because you are handcuffed" and bleeding out for 20 minutes is a death sentence if any major vein or artery was hit. Hell, even if a normal vein or artery is hit that will kill you. Hell, even a flesh wound would allow you to bleed to death under right circumstances.

I would like to see police procedure change to the following.

When police shoot a suspect, and the scene is under control, police MUST RENDER AID IMMEDIATELY.
Seriously this man could have died. In fact, odds are he should have died. Three shots fired, one hit him in the leg, forced to bleed out for 20 minutes. I mean, wow. Seriously, this may just be about the most incompetent use of police force in the history of citizen-police encounters.

They probably wanted him to die so they could get off the hook, this is common police procedure. Dead men tell no tales.