Controlling youthful behaviour.

[Carl Emerson]

How do folks feel about the growing trend to dose up students with 'ADHD' medicine when they exhibit challenging behaviours, or learning difficulties in school.

 

[Carl Emerson]

I think you are drawing a long bow to suggest that somehow those versed in behavioural 'science' have the real oil on what are the causes of individual behavioural difficulties. Such academic disciplines do not follow the rigorous experimental method - they can't predict the behaviour of individuals like we can predict the behaviour of an object in physical space. Their conclusions are statistical and therefore general. Yes, they may claim 4 in 10 are likely to have certain conditions but they cant predict with certainty which individuals will or why. These days also the very fabric or science has become corrupted by commercial interests particularly drug companies.

The other complication factor is that behavioural problems, suicide, and such have exploded in our schools since those who 'know better' have disempowered parents, and embarked on social engineering through the education system, and outlawed discipline. The resulting stress levels in family and society have gone out the roof compared to what we experienced in the 50's straight after a world war. Now youth speak of panic attacks and such because the social and family security we had is long gone.

This has created a perfect opportunity to medicate - declaring individuals to be sick because they struggle with a sick and crumbling society.

The upside is that our job in preaching the Kingdom of God is in some ways easier as the social ills get worse and folks are often desperate for an answer.

 

[Joseph G]

This has created a perfect opportunity to medicate - declaring individuals to be sick because they struggle with a sick and crumbling society.

Bingo.

I confess I don't know much about ADHD, and don't wish to denigrate anyone struggling with it (especially you, Alex, you are a fine fellow whom I admire), but I do have extensive personal experience with other mental health challenges - likewise presumed to be biological in nature.

I don't have statistical evidence to support my suppositions, but I do have 40-something years of subjective experience from my own story and countless others who have shared their stories with me.

Right off the bat, I say bully for anyone who finds medication to be helpful. I agree that if it works it must be from the Lord.

I'm willing to bet, though, that these folks are in the minority. Myself and others have been on all the successive latest meds (the last one just doesn't seem to cut it, does it?) and - when absolute truth be told - do nothing more than sedate you.

And that seems to satisfy your loved ones and society just fine - just so long that your behavior no longer embarrases THEM. A sad substitute for simply listening and bearing each other's burdens in love through the bad times in a very sick, twisted and merciless world (as Carl points out).

As for these wonderful meds, ever notice that we cover our ears and pretend that the meds have no serious side effects? Speaking of crazy, how nuts is it to ingest a med for depression that possibly induces suicidal thoughts?

Bitter much? Well yes. When one was told 40 years ago that they had a chemical imbalance due to seratonin levels, and today experts admit that there is no such evidence about errant seratonin levels AT ALL - you suddenly realize that you were saddled with a diagnosis pulled straight out of their you-know-whats - with utter disregard for your quality of life - now and in the future.

And here is what is most egregious about these diagnosises - the utter hubris to pronounce upon one that their malady is life-long. I say this often but its worth repeating, talk about hanging an albatross around one's neck. Even becoming a Christian doesn't automatically free one from the FEAR that another breakdown isn't eminent. That fear is more destructive than the so-called disease itself.

For myself, 5 years ago I chunked all the meds and took Jesus at His Word - the promise of a sound mind, that He would guard my heart and mind in Christ Jesus, and that I had the mind of Christ. I've been through a lot of intense spiritual warfare since, but have witnessed Him delivering me through each battle so often that I no longer fear losing it ever again. I happily call that being healed - proving the worldly quacks absolutely wrong in their damning prophecy over me.

If I can cope, and even thrive, now - then I certainly could have then. Just a little grace was all I needed, ya know?

Sorry if I went astray of the OP, Carl, but I have such a burden for others bearing the same albatross and desire that they will be set free like me. Jesus absolutely still heals today!

God bless!

Luke 4:18-19 NIV

"The Spirit of the Lord is on me,
because he has anointed me
to proclaim good news to the poor.
He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners
and recovery of sight for the blind,
to set the oppressed free,
to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor.”

 

[Ace777]

How do folks feel about the growing trend to dose up students with 'ADHD' medicine when they exhibit challenging behaviours, or learning difficulties in school.

There are Three considerations here. The teacher will not allow the "ADHD" student in her class if they are not medicated. Another consideration is there are students that cannot concentrate to do the work if they are not medicated. Of course we can ask what the Book of Revelation says about all drugs not just this one.

 

[Carl Emerson]

There are Three considerations here. The teacher will not allow the "ADHD" student in her class if they are not medicated. Another consideration is there are students that cannot concentrate to do the work if they are not medicated. Of course we can ask what the Book of Revelation says about all drugs not just this one.

Thanks for your response - can you give the reference in Revelation please.

 

[Grip Docility]

I think you are drawing a long bow to suggest that somehow those versed in behavioural 'science' have the real oil on what causes and individual behavioural difficulties. Such academic disciplines do not follow the rigorous experimental method - they can't predict the behaviour of individuals like we can predict the behaviour of an object in physical space. Their conclusions are statistical and therefore general. Yes, they may claim 4 in 10 are likely to have certain conditions but they cant predict with certainty which individuals will or why. These days also the very fabric or science has become corrupted by commercial interests particularly drug companies.

The other complication factor is that behavioural problems, suicide, and such have exploded in our schools since those who 'know better' have disempowered parents, and embarked on social engineering through the education system, and outlawed discipline. The resulting stress levels in family and society have gone out the roof compared to what we experienced in the 50's straight after a world war. Now youth speak of panic attacks and such because the social and family security we had is long gone.

This has created a perfect opportunity to medicate - declaring individuals to be sick because they struggle with a sick and crumbling society.

The upside is that our job in preaching the Kingdom of God is in some ways easier as the social ills get worse and folks are often desperate for an answer.

First and foremost, Medicine is not an issue and to be sincere, ADD meds can help people find success where they else wise couldn't have. Pharma is in many ways a wonderful thing. The Greek word that people keep referring to as sorcery is not only a very dangerous mishandling of what scripture is saying, but it is blinding future generations to what will come one day. Satan will be able to exert raw spiritual power before mankind in the last days, which could happen tomorrow or 5000 years from now. Only God knows the when of that discussion. People will actually fail in the presence of the spiritual things that Satan displays because of the very thing you are rightfully and righteously alluding to.

The Human Soul is very real! It is not a "scientific" equation of chemicals and electrical impulses. It is a God breathed gift unto all of mankind and it craves Spiritual Truth and Spiritual Sustenance.

This modern world that mocks people for believing "Spiritual" things is starving the most critical portion of the Human anatomy that is far beyond the reach of Modern Medical advances and Modern philosophical enlightenment.

This blanket need for medication is indeed the old adage of repetitiously treating a symptom, when ignoring the critical Cause.

 

[eleos1954]

How do folks feel about the growing trend to dose up students with 'ADHD' medicine when they exhibit challenging behaviours, or learning difficulties in school.

When my son (grown up now) was in about 3rd grade his school had a meeting with me and my husband and they told us our son was "acting out" in class regularly ... they said to have us have him checked for ADHD ... we did. The physician prescribed Ritilan ... we gave him like 2 pills ... we then researched and found where it could be dangerous ... so we discontinued the medication.

We did not tell the school of this .... and they assumed he was taking the medication ... about 6 weeks later ... we had another meeting with his teachers and they said he was doing much much better. So ???

When we told them then that he had not been taking the medicine ... they were furious with us.

We never put him on any medication for this for his entire life.

Just wanted to pass on what we experienced.