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I am not so sure about that. If secular society is rejecting God as opposed to Gods church then even those on the conservative side of politics and not just belief will also profess a secular ideology about how society should be ordered. I don't think we will see a theocracy so this world is not designed to be Gods Will on earth. Its designed to uphold secular ideaologies that may or may not reflect Christian morals.I thank God we have a US Supreme Court "Conservative" super majority, it's going to be a solid decade+ of conservative decisions handed down, it's about time, can't wait to see the liberal agenda, built for the past 50 years "Disappear"
Fact isI am not so sure about that. If secular society is rejecting God as opposed to Gods church then even those on the conservative side of politics and not just belief will also profess a secular ideology about how society should be ordered. I don't think we will see a theocracy so this world is not designed to be Gods Will on earth. Its designed to uphold secular ideaologies that may or may not reflect Christian morals.
In fact its more inclined to reflect secular ideas because in order to allow free will you have to allow the chance for people to choose freely and that inevitably will lead to ideologies that oppose Gods Will. That is the nature of fallen humans.
In some ways it all has to just play out as it is. Its beyond our control. But if God is Truth then the Truth will eventually come out. Unfortunately in the meantime some damage will be done. All we can do is keep pointing to Gods Truth. I think the best way to do that is to live by the example of Christ.
Every successive Supreme Court decision mobilizes progressives. It's one reason why Democrats did much better than expected in 2022.Fact is
A conservative US Supreme Court 6/3 in the majority, continue to watch the conservative rulings for the next 12 years, the best is yet to come
Liberal agenda on the exit, stage "Right"!
I think there is some truth to that. However I think until we can get a foothold in the educational systems it will always be an uphill battle for us. Depending strictly on legislatures or political movements will always be unreliable.I don't think we have to wait that long. Its about exposing the lies and sticking to the truth and reality. Not going along and standing up to it. Like how Budlight customers sent a strong message to big corps. Like parents who make a stand in parent teacher meetings, like the laws being implemented to stop this being taught in kids schools and audits of materials to weed out the inappropriate materials being taught.
But also through edoing exactly the same thing the Woke is doing by getting on social media to promote the truth and reality, to show the counter narratives of people effected by the ideology. Creating more spaces where people can express the truth without being cancelled. People only take so much and then they start to fight back especially when it comes to kids.
What we are seeing today is the result of a slow march from the 90s. It exploded into mainstream society only about 10 years ago but mostly in the last 5 years through social media especially with Covid where people were stuck at home and their worlde became the internet.
But I think just as rapidly as this ideology came it will quickly be exposed. Most people don't really understand an go along because they hear words like equality, Rights ect and believe its all nobel. But as the reality of the ideology begins to be lived out, in womens sports, at work, in health and law where everyday people are being cancelled and suffering consequences people will soon see the reality. This is beginning to happen now.
The House is a republican majority, almost The same in the Senate by one voteEvery successive Supreme Court decision mobilizes progressives. It's one reason why Democrats did much better than expected in 2022.
So the Courts can keep on keepin' on, but as the Congress and legislatures get bluer and bluer, they will just pass laws overriding their decisions until they lost their voices.
They are not doing themselves any favors by declaring there is no need for them to have a strong ethics policy while their benefactors' largesse, especially to Thomas, shocks and horrifies us.
They have betrayed the public's trust and confidence, and have no one to blame but themselves for scoring somewhere below used car salesmen ethically.
I am not so sure about that. If secular society is rejecting God as opposed to Gods church then even those on the conservative side of politics and not just belief will also profess a secular ideology about how society should be ordered. I don't think we will see a theocracy so this world is not designed to be Gods Will on earth. Its designed to uphold secular ideaologies that may or may not reflect Christian morals.
In fact its more inclined to reflect secular ideas because in order to allow free will you have to allow the chance for people to choose freely and that inevitably will lead to ideologies that oppose Gods Will. That is the nature of fallen humans.
In some ways it all has to just play out as it is. Its beyond our control. But if God is Truth then the Truth will eventually come out. Unfortunately in the meantime some damage will be done. All we can do is keep pointing to Gods Truth. I think the best way to do that is to live by the example of Christ.
The liberal agenda is heading out the door, are you unaware of the US Supreme Courts decisions, it's no going to stop, 2-3 years and America will be back on trackEvery successive Supreme Court decision mobilizes progressives. It's one reason why Democrats did much better than expected in 2022.
So the Courts can keep on keepin' on, but as the Congress and legislatures get bluer and bluer, they will just pass laws overriding their decisions until they lost their voices.
They are not doing themselves any favors by declaring there is no need for them to have a strong ethics policy while their benefactors' largesse, especially to Thomas, shocks and horrifies us.
They have betrayed the public's trust and confidence, and have no one to blame but themselves for scoring somewhere below used car salesmen ethically.
Yes this was an idea stemming back to Marxist and Critical theorist post revolutions. Activism went from the streets to the class room. In slowly undermining and reconstructing the institutions the revolution happen slowly (Long march through the institutions) but nonetheless probably achieved its goals for greater than any protests could.I think there is some truth to that. However I think until we can get a foothold in the educational systems it will always be an uphill battle for us. Depending strictly on legislatures or political movements will always be unreliable.
The educational system needs to be won. That's how the liberals and progressive have gotten their victories.
Think about it. Progressive journalists came from progressive schools. Progressive judges were trained in progressive schools. Progressive teachers trained in progressive schools.
So when there was food shortages and people were fighting in shops for food why was that. if food becomes too expensive for some isn't that a moral issue. So isn't the government policies that make food expensive a moral issue.This is the second thread today that you've posted the same "secular panic" content into a thread. (The other was on the nature and alternatives to democracy.) The common theme (as I can see it) is a failure to understand what "secular society" means. It is not the fraction of people without religion, it is the portion of society that does not operate on religious principles. The local grocery is secular. Food is not sold on religious principles.
So not spending money on roads which may cause accidents or where play grounds are in poor repair or where a government provides no playgrounds are these not ethical issues.Likewise with local government, the principles on which it operates are not religious. Are there religious principles that tell you when roads need to be repaved, or how much of the budget to spend on playgrounds for children? No? I didn't think so. Local government is inherently secular in nature. There is no reason for it to be religiously aligned to function.
No but they are tied to ethics. How a government creates or doesn't create a better society. isn't that what governments do. They take our money and try to create a society that is relatively happy, safe, provided for and ultimately makes them better, helps them thrive. If not then governments are telling us lies because all their language speaks of promises to make things better, better education, roads, health and law. Stop the crime, help us feel safe.Just because those institutions are secular (not religious) does not mean that those who lead them, or work for them, or interact with them need to be non-religious. The secular nature of governments, retail stores, and so many more are not tied to individual persons being religious or not.
Why are they a failure. Why is any Party a failure when theres no miorals involved. What does failure mean.Back to the topic...l yes conservatives are a failure despite their recent surge of "power".
So when there was food shortages and people were fighting in shops for food why was that. if food becomes too expensive for some isn't that a moral issue. So isn't the government policies that make food expensive a moral issue.
So not spending money on roads which may cause accidents or where play grounds are in poor repair or where a government provides no playgrounds are these not ethical issues.
No but they are tied to ethics. How a government creates or doesn't create a better society. isn't that what governments do. They take our money and try to create a society that is relatively happy, safe, provided for and ultimately makes them better, helps them thrive. If not then governments are telling us lies because all their language speaks of promises to make things better, better education, roads, health and law. Stop the crime, help us feel safe.
These are all related to ethics. Otherwise if they were not we would not care that health was provided, every person for themselves. Which sort of happens now. But when it does people protest and condfemn governments for their lack of care, and providing people with basic rights.
Why are they a failure. Why is any Party a failure when theres no miorals involved. What does failure mean.
Ok I will try not to relate things back to my worldview. But also noticing that you then linked my worldview to Conservatives in general which then makes my world view a widely accepted one for at least half if not more of the population.Are you incapable of perceiving *anything* as something other than dogma, philosophy, and morality. There is more to life than those limited things. I'm remembering why I stopped talking with you. Every conversation had to be drawn into its relation to your "worldview" and how it was different than my "worldview". Twaddle.
You want to know why conservatives are a failure. Here it is:
They have become obsessed with their "worldview" to the point where nothing else matters or interferes with how they perceive politics and policy. Facts be come irrelevant to such people and their views become untethered from objective, observable reality. That's why they fail. It's the same reason the Communist states fell -- a fantasy version of important portions of society (in their case economics and human motivations).
I noted that the problem with your posts and the problem with conservatives were similar in separate paragraphs. If you feel linked then, oh well. You, conservatives, and others have this issue. Marxists are convinced everything problem is caused by capitalists. Radical feminsts often fall into the trap of blaming all problems on men and patriarchy. It is definitely a major problem modern "conservatives" have. Whether you is one or not was not an assessment I was making. [Note: I even mentioned how the resulting disconnection from facts was a major downfall of the Communist regimes.]Ok I will try not to relate things back to my worldview. But also noticing that you then linked my worldview to Conservatives in general which then makes my world view a widely accepted one for at least half if not more of the population.
When you were describing how Conservatives are being rejected ie "They have become obsessed with their "worldview to the point where nothing else matters or interferes with how they perceive politics and policly" and "Facts become irrelevant to such people and their views become untethered from objective, observable reality" it sounded like you were describing the Left because that fits to a tee.
So maybe its both sides who have become unmoored from reality. Though I tend to think the Conservatives are more in line with Traditionalist ideas which seem to be closer to reality. At least our lived reality throughout our history. So the question is "who is fooling who and how can we determine who is closer to reality"?
Ok no I wasn't complaining that you lumped me with Conservatives but that what you were describing about me would have to be applied to at least half or more of the population. If as you say we can throw in Marxism, feminism and all the other 'isms' as well as my claim that the Left pretty well fits your description then we end up with a situation where everyone is delusion.I noted that the problem with your posts and the problem with conservatives were similar in separate paragraphs. If you feel linked then, oh well. You, conservatives, and others have this issue. Marxists are convinced everything problem is caused by capitalists. Radical feminsts often fall into the trap of blaming all problems on men and patriarchy. It is definitely a major problem modern "conservatives" have. Whether you is one or not was not an assessment I was making. [Note: I even mentioned how the resulting disconnection from facts was a major downfall of the Communist regimes.]
Ok fair enough. I don't consider it rambling but well thought out reasoning. That reasoning being important to back the points I am making. Nothing worse than making claims without any explanation or rational. Especially 1 sentence ones which more assertion than rational.A more pressing problem with your posts is a tendency to ramble. I often stop reading before you are done. For example I only half read the above section.
But a cavet, if you only read half the reply then how can you respond accurately with half the information.
I can easily see where you're coming from on this. I can even agree that many conservtives and Christians have fallen asleep. And I'll admit I was one of those Christians at one time. But much of this stuff has been going on in the shadows of our government. What we see today, with all this extreme radical behavior, was not seen by most Americans back in 2014. By 2015 people began to clearly notice the radical change among liberals who had become unhinged. We never saw this back in the 1990s or after 9/11. Bhy 2003 I definitely noticed some dangerous treads going around which I knew would lead to chaos and civil unrest. But even then I had much to learn and did not see the evil I was voting for when I voted for Obama. But by 2009 I would see my mistake and I definitely repented of it! I wrote apology letters to everyone in my life at the time--which was anyone I happen to know at the time. By 2015, I would find out first hand just how evil and spiritually gone the left would become. This is the time when radical unhinged behavior became very noticable. Today that behavior is part of the norm for the left. Notice we no longer call them liberals. They are not liberals but leftists.Conservatives have fallen asleep at the wheel for the last decades while the left walked into all the institutions (including the church and military) and now today the left and postmodernism is pervasive everywhere and it seems too far gone, and conservatives and Christians have to tolerate it. Now it's even reaching into many areas that were previously conservative.
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