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The same Constitution that listed African slaves as being 3/5 of a person, and which took the Thirteenth and Fourteenth Amendments to overturn it and declare African Americans and freed African slaves to be full citizens under the law and having equal rights; and further confirmed in the Fifteenth Amendment and later by the Civil Rights Act of 1964?

The Constitution exists to regulate the government to protect the citizens of the nation. That's a good thing. What's not a good thing is hiding behind the Constitution to have an excuse to allow the perpetuation of injustice. That's where laws and regulations come into affect to protect the powerless, the weak, the discriminated, and the poor from the cruelty and powermongering of the wealthy and powerful when, if or wherever it raises its ugly head.

It's also noted that the Constitution has been amended as needed in order to protect the discriminated and the powerless, and laws such as the Civil Right Act help to keep that in check.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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It seems you've missed the fact that the 13th, 14th, and 15th amendments where not counter to the Constitution, they were passed very much in accordance with a Constitutional process. Abiding by the Constitution is precisely what I've advocated. What you advocate, however, IS counter to the Constitution, specifically stated in the 9th and 10h amendments.

So, here is the proper understanding of the Constitution and the political philosophy of limited government. "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

What that means is if the Constitution doesn't SPECIFICALLY grant the government the power to interfere, don't do it! Stop pretending that the Constitution grants the government wide ranging powers to do whatever progressives think is a good idea. It doesn't!

I have no intention of ignoring injustice, but unlike you, I'm not crippled by a belief that nothing happens unless the government does it.
 
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Without division of labor, steam engines would never be anything but a curiousity, because they would be prohibitively expensive, just as the automobile was a curiousity until Henry Ford invented the assembly line. Without division of labor, mechanized production isn't possible either.

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Oooh, liberal rejection of a single book which the jury is still out on and is far from established science. Hardly compares with conservative rejection of evolution and global warming, two well-established scientific facts.

The Bell Curve is the best known example, but there are plenty of others. Politically incorrect science generally doesn't get a lot of press. Liberals are generally quick to reject any scientific research that suggests that social inequality might have a biological basis.

Why can't rejection or Darwinism in regards to the origins of the various species of life be compared with rejection of Darwin's concept of survival of the fittest, which is what Robert Reich explicitly does? The former is dependent on the latter.
 
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Humans have the right to life, liberty and property. "Conservatives" deny or seek to deny these rights in various ways.

Life: Conservatives are all for the death penalty

Liberty: the 3 strikes rule, the new law that US citizens on US soil suspected of terrorism can be held indefinitely without trial. The concept of rendition.

Property: Under Bush the US-citizens-pay-tax-everywhere was extended. You live and work overseas and own overseas property....pay US property tax.

That was fun. Your turn.
 
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The death penalty is not a violation of the right to life, because in order for it to be implemented, one must be convicted of a crime in a court of law first. To say that is a violation of the right to life is like saying sending criminals to prison is a violation of their right to liberty, or forcing them to pay a punitive fine is a violation of their right to property. It doesn't work. If you've been convicted of a crime in a fair trial, you may be punished in any of these ways. When the guilty party committed the crime, he brought it on himself.

On the other two points, I happen to share your disagreement with them. Bush was not a conservative, he was a moderate.
 
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They're not.
 
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Simply put; Capital punishment is the mark of an uncivilised society! Basically it is the: "Leg hurts? Cut leg!" philosophy and this is detrimental to social progress.
 
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Specialization and division of labour are as old as civilization itself, they weren't invented out of nowhere by proto-capitalist intellectuals.

The Bell Curve is the best known example, but there are plenty of others. Politically incorrect science generally doesn't get a lot of press.

And Conservatives are different in that regard?

Why can't rejection or Darwinism in regards to the origins of the various species of life be compared with rejection of Darwin's concept of survival of the fittest, which is what Robert Reich explicitly does? The former is dependent on the latter.

That survival of the fittest is a biological fact does not imply that it should be a social reality, or that a society needs to be built around it (as applied to individuals) to be successful. Darwin himself stated that there is no reason to do something simply because it is natural, as it might well be immoral.
 
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McVeigh did not say a word in the final minutes before his execution, but left a handwritten statement quoting Invictus, a 19th century poem by British poet William Ernest Henley. It ends with the lines "I am the master of my fate: I am the captain of my soul."
 
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Simply put; Capital punishment is the mark of an uncivilised society! Basically it is the: "Leg hurts? Cut leg!" philosophy and this is detrimental to social progress.

America is still the 'wild west' of the world, barely civilized. The death penalty is a useful thing when properly used, but Americans don't use many things properly. Social progress is more rightly measured by the behavior of the citizenry, not so much that of government. That government overreacts is often a sign of frustration with an unresponsive and irresponsible citizenry (of course the reverse is often true as well).
 
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The death penalty does not deter crime! Its usefulness is questioned by Amnesty International. How else can you justify criminal homicides in the US if capital punishment is useful?

There is nothing useful in putting a human to death.
 
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Sending criminals to prison is a violation of their right to liberty. Simply being tried and convicted in a court of law does not change a right to a non right. Our constitution specifically allows for the violation of rights under certain circumstances. Upholding the law is but one of many examples of this. Another is the limits to free speech under certain circumstances.
 
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Humans have the right to life, liberty, and property. "Progressives" deny or seek to deny these rights in various ways:

Life: The unborn are denied this right.

Yes they are. The fringe elements of what are considered human are still under consideration. A fetus falls outside the power of human rights.

Liberty: Speech codes (on universities as well as censorship laws, fairness doctrine, net neutrality), mandates concerning weapons storage and restricting carrying them (Chicago is particularly egregious).

I'm not American so I'm not sure exactly what you mean, but are you talking about limits to freedom of speech and not allow people to own any death weapon they like? I don't believe human rights protect you when you say or do everything.

Property: Overtaxation. Overregulation of what can be bought and sold. Eminent domain abuse.

Article 17.
(1) Everyone has the right to own property alone as well as in association with others.
(2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his property.

You need to prove it is arbitrary before you claim a human rights violation.
 
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A useless death is often a fitting end to a useless life.

There's no such thing as a useless life. Though that depends on one's ethical code. As a Christian the ethic of life seems pretty important.

It often seems that "Pro-Life" is an empty and inconsistent position. A consistent and holistic pro-life ethic cannot support the death penalty, depriving the post-born of just and right social conditions, or advocating war.

The sheer vast majority of self-professed pro-life people aren't pro-life in any meaningful sense of the term.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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This is a wonderfully fantastic Strawman StamperBen. You provide no evidence, none, to suggest or support the conclusion the Republican Party are advocates of Social Darwinism.

So, to borrow your reasoning, I propose the following diatribe.

Democrats are Communists: They are advocates for Soviet Union style dictatorship.

Just take my comment above as true and no evidence is necessary to support this belief or perception, just as you felt it unnecessary to provide any evidence to support your belief or perception above. You commit the same error here at this forum as you did in the other forum.
 
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Taking it personally, are we? Seems you should be attacking Robert Reich instead of StamperBen.

Personally, I believe Reich is correct. Conservatives are always looking back to "the good old days", you know when women and blacks knew their place and the bossman ran his factory long and hot. Good times
 
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The purpose of mortal human life is to seek God and enter a relationship with Him through Chrlst. If the murder of a fellowman is the final, defining act of a persons life, I'd say that is a wasted life, and that act taints anything useful that person might have done.

Pro-lifers want the newly conceived to have the opportunity to live and succeed. The murderer has had his/her chance at life and has squandered it.
 
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