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That's what I thought, although I don't know how you can have a a problem with a Christian feeling that way.
I have a problem with it because homophobia hurts people.
I hurts the homosexuals, no doubt.
Before I begin, allow me to exclude elements that we can all accept - That is:
This story is about a group of Australian conservatives (I do not know if they have a religious persuasion or not) who decided to go to a library event where a drag queen was reading a story to children.
- This site, and a large proportion of individuals (of all religious persuasions) do not condone homosexuality. Indeed many non-religious people revile homosexuality.
- Equally, there is an increasing proportion of individuals that have an opposing opinion. We all know that so please - DONT GET CHILDISH AND RESORT TO A " HOMOSEXUALS ARE BAD VS NO THEY ARE NOT" debate. We know one another's position so it doesn't need a debate for the one millionth time here.
NOW - Before you jump in and say ARGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH, the children attended with the full knowledge and consent of their parents who had no issue with it.
Apparently the conservatives disrupted the event and there was some minor confrontation. There was some backlash against those individuals and the principal instigator in particular.
This principal instigator later took his life. Testimonies about his character talked of the young man being a kind and thoughtful individual.
Whats this thread about? - Australia has seen several cases of this ilk. A very prominent sportsman was dismissed for reviling people he did not approve of on religious grounds. He was dismissed from his contract. Now there's this example.
My question is - Are those of religious persuasion, being adequately educated on how to "Sell" there religious message. How well are they being counselled. For when you weigh up the cost - What good was achieved by this young person - What good was achieved by the famous rugby player. What good has come out of it all - Indeed it'd seem that all that was gained was upset, anger, negatives. Was there a better way that would entice people to listen, instead of causing disharmony.
Head of Liberal National Club who mobbed drag queens reading to kids dies
Well saidWell, the question for me I guess is whether our stated intents are necessarily our real motivations. It's hard to know for sure. I guess from what I've observed in the gospels, Jesus engaged in fellowship, often table fellowship, with those who were marginalized in the culture. We don't necessarily know how those conversations played out, but we do know that he engaged with tax collectors, prostitutes, etc. as people, not as categories or people simply to be protested. He also showed great compassion, particularly for those who in the culture that suffered some kind of rejection. It's hard for me to get my head around how we would have responded to this particular issue, but I do think it would start with engaging in conversation/fellowship, whether with the parents, drag queens, or library employees.
Thanks that was a good replyIt would sound utterly ridiculous if you don't believe in something beyond this material world. That is why I, personally, don't try to "evangelize". Not everyone knows about the worlds beyond this one, many don't care, and the rest don't believe it. So, it has produced nothing but vanity - as all human activity produces. Why waste words on people who don't care?
Now, on the other hand, new and seasoned Christians tend to feel the need to mechanically change the world with their testimony and ministry. It usually takes some experience and trials to realize one should not "share" anything with anyone except the superficial - we plant the seed, not raise up the plant.
When people aren't receptive to what we think is the "truth," we (as humans) get the need to be validated. So, we do vain and ignorant things as per our race. It isn't too complex; the consequences of "evangelizing" to people who don't want to know or don't care can be detrimental to both parties.
Why are "monks, shamans, enlightened ones, mystics etc." hard to find and understand? Because they don't cast their pearls before swine, as it were. The average pedestrian human would likely commit suicide or die from fear if s/he were to be exposed to even 10% of the alleged "real" world. We like to be in control, and the idea that there are spirits running amok (even able to possess us), and the idea that "we didn't build this, and likely cannot build this" is what makes people uneasy about religion.
At the end of it all, it is vanity: religious evangelism and religious curiosity is vanity without a mind open enough to accept the possibilities that may be very real. Otherwise, we are just deluding ourselves, creating dogma, and acting out of defiant ego.
This is sad on many levels. It's really easy to not bother other people.
Secondly - there are many great religious scholars, whose focus is more on the nature of spirituality and universal love...
I'm confused, this guy was a member if the "Liberal" National Club. That doesn't sound like a conservative club, ???
The protestor was a gay atheist
No one "drives" anyone to suicide. There is already a serious disturbance there.I don't condone driving people to suicide, but this kind of behaviour towards homosexuals, transsexuals and the likes heavily contributes to those groups higher than normal suicide rates. There's no justice in any of this, just oppression that backfired and killed a propably disturbed individual.
It isn't our place to "sell" a message. Only to preach the Good News. The outcome isn't up to us.I'm 55, lived on 4 continents, visited about 80 countries. I have never met a single Christian that has ever been even close to adequate when it comes to "selling" their message.
Not one.
Also, the difference between a story and a plot is that in a story events are only connected by chronology.
This article is a story.
Not for that reason, though we know nothing else about him. We do know from scripture that suicide itself is not the unforgivable sin.Will this guy be in Hell now (as a suicide)?
Even still, who, as recently as ten years ago, had ever heard of drag queens reading to children in public libraries? It would have sounded like a sick joke.
It isn't our place to "sell" a message. Only to preach the Good News. The outcome isn't up to us.
No one "drives" anyone to suicide. There is already a serious disturbance there.
No matter what group, people who commit suicide usually act on their own, led by Satan, and can not be faithful to God, since that would be like saying to God, "I don't trust you with how my life is going, or whatever lessons I'm supposed to be learning, or that you are punishing me, so Ill end my life" Suicide is a lack of faith in God.
it is the responsibility of parents to guide their children and in this generation, they are being misguided. Society has grown more liberal, allowing all sorts of behavior
What was once taboo, has turned into a celebration, parading down the streets. People are confused about what sex they are and society accepts that they can change it.
Even non religious folks for thousands of years knew what was natural and unnatural, that male and female were purposed to join, be fruitful and multiply, and this applies to all life forms. This was God's purpose, this was His creation
I'm confused, this guy was a member if the "Liberal" National Club. That doesn't sound like a conservative club, ???
I'm not sure what you are asking. If you are asking what scholars mean by it, then I'm loath to answer for great scholars because I dont think I have the skill-set. My own interpretation would be that it refers to a spirit that is benevolent and manifests in everything, including ironically, the malevolent.Is there no boundary you would set for this 'universal' love?
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