If you had to place yourself in one of the forums within the congregation section of CF, where would you best fit? Reformed? Pentecostal? Non-Denom?
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Congregation Forum - Best Fit?
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eph3Nine said:
Eph39 - how are you? Been awhile
To your comment; saying "is not of God, but of men" could also be used for your Arminian heresy on the doctrine of salvation... "not of God, but of men."
Mat 7:3-4 may be appropiate:
"...why do you look at the speck that is in you brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ' Let me take the speck out of your eye, ' and behold, the log is in your own eye!"
But that isn't what this topic is about...praise be to God !
I'll start:1. Fundamentalist (Dispensationalism)
2. Reformed (Predestination/Sovereignty)
3. Lutheran (Faith/Works - Lordship)
Anyone else?
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eph3Nine
Mid Acts, Pauline, Dispy to the max!
LOL....Im not armenian but BIBLICAL. Calvinism isnt biblical but you choose to embrace it....wink.
I also dont find anything fundamental about dispensationalism. It is rebuked, rebuffed, and virtually ignored by the majority of professing believers. So...again, I really dont understand your question.
I also dont understand why you chose to insert the quotation on judging a brother...I was being honest...I dont understand the question, and wasnt judging anyone. Sorry if you felt that way. People I dont judge...their belief systems when compared with scripture rightly divided, I DO. God tells me to.
I also dont find anything fundamental about dispensationalism. It is rebuked, rebuffed, and virtually ignored by the majority of professing believers. So...again, I really dont understand your question.
I also dont understand why you chose to insert the quotation on judging a brother...I was being honest...I dont understand the question, and wasnt judging anyone. Sorry if you felt that way. People I dont judge...their belief systems when compared with scripture rightly divided, I DO. God tells me to.
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eph3Nine said:
Your theology of salvation is not biblical, but Arminian tradition rehased and promoted by Stam, Baker, and so on in their books. You've been fed spoiled meat between your two pieces of theological bread. Your problem is that you have never studied these systems -- you claim you have, but when asked what books, you never respond....You can't get beyond "rightly dividing" and into the deeper things of God.
Calvinism predates John Calvin; Luther himself was a "Calvinist" before John Calvin ever began preaching -- Augustine preached the doctrines of sovereign grace 11 centuries before Luther; Paul capstoned the doctrines and preached God's sovereignty straight from the Hebrew scriptures.
How is this difficult?
Hundreds, infact, thousands of Mid-Acts Dispensationalist would disagree with you on your "right dividing" theology -- you don't judge based on scripture, you judge based of your eisegesis of scripture.
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eph3Nine
Mid Acts, Pauline, Dispy to the max!
God is certainly sovereign, but NOWHERE in the Word does He even intimate that He chooses to save some and chooses to send others to hell. Thats blasphemy.
1 Timothy 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth..........THIS is what God desires...but He has left it to FREE will as to what mankind will choose. He did NOT, as calvinists teach, leave us without free will. We aint robots.
So, we will just have to agree to disagree then , wont we? Wink....again, sorry to have ruffled your feathers.
1 Timothy 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth..........THIS is what God desires...but He has left it to FREE will as to what mankind will choose. He did NOT, as calvinists teach, leave us without free will. We aint robots.
So, we will just have to agree to disagree then , wont we? Wink....again, sorry to have ruffled your feathers.
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I do fear that I am turning into my father as I age. As we approach the end of the age I have begun to think that anyone who cant see truth
is either blind so can not see, or has made a pact with themselves to out-and-out reject truth in favour of their "better vision" ...
Im a Born again, Pre-millennial, Pre-trib, Creationist, Trinitarian who holds a very literal view of Biblical interpretation very literal and my view of Scripture is acutely dispensational.
That combination seems to rub some folks the wrong way.
But as a steward of the gospel, I must proclaim it faithfully, not striving to please men, but God, whose steward I am.
I am not a Calvinist but accept that Calvin was Scriptural in so far all the books of his which I have read. Which are all of them which I can find ...
But John Calvin gets way too much credit for doctrine which wasnt proposed by him at all but by Paul.
Because I am so literal I am often given the title Calvinist.
I hope John Calvin forgives me and Paul forgives him.
I dont mind the finer arts of debate. But debating children is silly.
I dont bruise easily but because of my upbringing, I am not particularly skilled at tact, (in our house tact was akin to outright lying).
So some discussions I will just stay out of as I dont want to offend or hurt someones feelings over a cause which is not important anyway.
There you go.
Im a Born again, Pre-millennial, Pre-trib, Creationist, Trinitarian who holds a very literal view of Biblical interpretation very literal and my view of Scripture is acutely dispensational.
That combination seems to rub some folks the wrong way.
But as a steward of the gospel, I must proclaim it faithfully, not striving to please men, but God, whose steward I am.
I am not a Calvinist but accept that Calvin was Scriptural in so far all the books of his which I have read. Which are all of them which I can find ...
But John Calvin gets way too much credit for doctrine which wasnt proposed by him at all but by Paul.
Because I am so literal I am often given the title Calvinist.
I hope John Calvin forgives me and Paul forgives him.
I dont mind the finer arts of debate. But debating children is silly.
I dont bruise easily but because of my upbringing, I am not particularly skilled at tact, (in our house tact was akin to outright lying).
So some discussions I will just stay out of as I dont want to offend or hurt someones feelings over a cause which is not important anyway.
There you go.
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We are all destined to Hell dear ... God choses to save a few. A remnant ...eph3Nine said:
Be careful who you accuse of blasphemy. It is Scriptural.
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So you will have to pick through the scripture and determine if God's arm is simply "too short" to save those who you say he "WILLS" to save but "can not" ...eph3Nine said:
The robot bit (actually atomaton) is a "Billy Graham original". While I love Billy. By his own admission he ain't no theologian.
You might try setting aside all presuppositions and prayerfully considering this ...
Are There Two Wills in God?
Divine Election and God's Desire for All to be Saved
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eph3Nine
Mid Acts, Pauline, Dispy to the max!
I do not hold to Calvinistic thot with regard to salvation. God desires that ALL men be saved, but its obvious all men arent GOING to be. Its NOT Gods choice who is saved and who isnt....Jesus Christ died for the sins of the WORLD....any who WILL may COME. God doesnt choose some to be saved and some NOT to....He makes the offer of salvation to all.
Election isnt God saying "I will save this guy, but NO...not this one"...We become the ELECT when we believe the gospel of OUR salvation and are placed INTO the ELECT ONE. IN Christ is the operative phrase.
Election isnt God saying "I will save this guy, but NO...not this one"...We become the ELECT when we believe the gospel of OUR salvation and are placed INTO the ELECT ONE. IN Christ is the operative phrase.
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romans 9:11--23 states thiseph3Nine said:
2 cor 4:1-3
colossians 1:16-18
act 13:46 states free will rejecting eternal life
yet in act 13:48 shows the ordained will of God who would believe...
both are true ...All men freely reject God
God choses to save a few for His will..matt 20:16
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eph3Nine
Mid Acts, Pauline, Dispy to the max!
Tychicum said:
Man by his own choice, sends himself to hell. God has made it possible for ALL men to be saved...thru believing in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as sufficient to RECONCILE him back to God. Dont believe it, and continue on to hell. Believe it and be saved by grace thru faith in the finished work of Christ.
God , by His GRACE, would have ALL men to be saved. The payment is made and NO ONE has to go to hell anymore. God aint mad at anyone anymore...thats GRACE! Believing it moves the HS to give us a brand new identity IN Christ, which is where HE places us AFTER we have heard the word of truth and respond by believing.
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eph3Nine said:
who give the ears to hear... mark 4:9-12
acts 13:48 those who where ordained believed..valued what was offered
who blind and deafens 2 cor 4:1-3
act 13:46 freely chooses to not value salvation..does not need
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So are you suggesting that it is beyond God's powers?eph3Nine said:
He hasn't enough ability to save all ... if He truly WILLED it to happen ... ?
That is the mistake of the universalist ... who believes in the end that God will breach his Holiness and become "unjust" ... and save all ...
So the question isn't who "may come" ... all "may come" who believe ... the question is "who will come". Those whom He has chosen "will come".
Justice will be satisfied and only those who's sin is paid for by the Blood of the Lamb will be found righteous by His gift to them ...
The very very vast amount of scripture supports God's Will is the choice ...
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Tychicum said:
nothing is beyond God's power
but what will is he communicating
determintive will or desireous will
check out the greek word in englishmans greek
great tool ...
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eph3Nine
Mid Acts, Pauline, Dispy to the max!
Tychicum said:
God will NEVER override someones free choice. He certainly has the ability to save...thats not the question...he has made believing the criteria for ALL.
God has provided salvation to ALL...not all will come to Him on the basis of HIS criteria and RECEIVE it thru believing. I am NOT a universalist, but believe in God giving every man free will.
God does NOT choose some to be saved and some NOT to. The package is presented, paid for and must be received. We are well equipped by God to choose...either to believe or NOT. That has always been Gods criteria.
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eph3Nine said:
Romans 9:18-24 KJV Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth. (19) Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? (20) Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? (21) Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? (22) What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: (23) And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory, (24) Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
I think Luther expressed it well ...
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eph3Nine
Mid Acts, Pauline, Dispy to the max!
Brother...Im not ignoring your post, and neither am I thinking about it. I choose NOT to enter into some discussions as a matter of common sense. I dont think you and I are on the same page in our understanding or theology. No discussion is going to be necessary.
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