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woobadooba

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RC,

Why are you twisting my words?

It appears to me that you really don't want to understand me, but that you just want to argue your point.

It's not about winning a debate. It's about understanding what people are really saying. To do this you need to pay attention to their words, especially when they inform you that they aren't saying what you are trying to convince them of having said.

With that said, nowhere in what I had said did I even imply that I was attempting to give a definitive meaning for the term 'logic'. So your argument from another post in here, which suggests that I did not define the word properly, is moot.

Furthermore, I did not intend to set a new standard for exegesis in using the idiomatic expression of 'reading between the lines'. Rather, I used this expression within the context of disclosing that a phrase can contain both an intended message, as well as an implied truth. To get at the implied truth of such phraseology one needs to use deductive reasoning. Hence 'reading between the lines', or extracting truth that is present, but not necessarily emphasized.

Instead of jumping to conclusions you should have just asked me what I had meant. But that probably wouldn't have worked anyway, since I had already informed you of what I meant; but here you are still trying to convince me that I meant something other than what I had said.

As for my scriptural correlation, it does make perfect sense to me that 'we which are alive and remain' (see 1Thess. 4:16-17) implies that no other terrestrial party but the one to which the passage speaks of will be living at that time. Hence my reason for juxtaposing the passage to the thought of the wicked being consumed by the "brightness of His coming" (see 2Thess. 2:8). Now, I do realize that the singular pronoun, 'him', is used here, thus referring t the man of lawlessness. However, as mentioned already we are using deductive reasoning to make sense of these things.

Having said that, according to the implied truths of Revelation 20:4-6, this will take place before the 1000 year period, since it will be at that time that the wicked will first be consumed at "His coming"; and so also it will be at that time that the "first resurrection" will take place. Thus it is logical to conclude that the lawless one spoken of in 2Thess. 2:8 will likewise be consumed prior to this thousand year time period. After this period of time however (1000 years), at some point the wicked will be resurrected unto the "second death" via the lake of fire.

Now then, a "second death" implies a 'first death', as well as a 'resurrection' at some point.

When will this resurrection take place?

According to Rev. 20:5 it will take place after the 1000 year period. Hence there are two separate resurrections--one for the righteous, and one for the wicked. Both are separated by a 1000 year time period. Thus this answers the question of the OP.

Why you would attempt to introduce other ideas into this thread when the Bible makes this so very clear makes no sense at all, especially since the OP is looking for an answer that discloses what SDAs believe on the matter...

Perhaps you are just simply informing us of the heresies that are out there, but in this part of the forum only the traditional views of what SDAs believe on this matter are acceptable as an answer to such questions.
 
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Perhaps you are just simply informing us of the heresies that are out there, but in this part of the forum only the traditional views of what SDAs believe on this matter are acceptable as an answer to such questions.
Your answer is that you read a verse and imply something from the word "remain" quite apart from the meaning it has in context.

You should be aware and it appears you are not that is is a general SDA discussion area it is not, as you say, where "only the traditional views of what SDAs believe on this matter are acceptable as an answer to such questions." If you want that then there is a Traditional SDA forum listed Above, here is the link:
http://www.christianforums.com/f568-...dventists.html

Feel free to espouse all your traditional material on that forum free from the likes of people like me.
 
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My oldest son fell about ten feet off the climbing wall at school today and landed directly onto his right ankle, sideways.

He has torn a lot of ligaments and has possibly broken a growth bone in his ankle/leg. They couldn't get his foot in the right position (because he was screaming in pain) to get the appropriate x-ray, so I have to take him to a specialist in three days.

I didn't know where else to stick that piece of bad news, so I figured here was as good a place as any.

Can you send up some prayers for him please? He's still in a lot of pain and has a cast up to his knee. Crutch city for him for a while I guess, poor guy.

Wooba, I'm a little distracted at the moment obviously, so I might've misunderstood one of your posts....but I am pretty sure the verse about "those of us that are alive and remain" is talking about the righteous that haven't died before the 2nd coming. I think that because Paul talks about the living not stopping the righteous that have already died from rising in the air to meet Christ first.

Are we talking about the same verse?

I don't think it implies that the wicked dead are already slain (even though other verses definitely do, so I do agree with you on this topic for sure).

God bless,
~Lainie
 
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OUCH!

That has to hurt.

Torn my ankle up a few times myself, but never broken a bone. We will pray for him.
 
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Yes, they are the righteous.

The fact that it says, "we which are alive and remain" indicates that there will be another type of people (the wicked), who won't remain living when this happens, because they will be consumed by the brightness of Jesus' coming. In other words, they will be slain by His presence.

There would be no sense in talking about who will remain living if both the wicked and the righteous will withstand the presence of Christ, and thus live on. Rev. 20:4-6 makes it very clear that the wicked will not survive the second coming of Jesus. Again, there is no sense in talking about a second death if there isn't a first death. And since all of the wicked will be subject to the power of the second death it is reasonable to conclude that they would all have died prior to that, which means the earth will be uninhabited by people during the millennium, because the righteous will be with Jesus, and the wicked will be dead until the time of the second resurrection.
 
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Or even if for the sake of argument we assume that it means there are no other people they may have died by some other means perhaps being crushed by earthquake or rocks or whatever. This is the problem with reading between the lines. It just becomes an excuse to believe something you already believe that is why it has a name, it is called eisegesis.
 
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