Confused about healing

[wr2]

I talked to a christian today who is in the healing ministry and who somehow has a bit of a medical background and he said a
few confusing things to me which trouble me.

For example he said you cannot simply pray against a symptom and make a symptom disappear. He said if a person for example
has pain in his joints then you can't simply pray the pain away you have to look at the real reasons for the joint pain which could be
year long fear which then causes your brain to produce too many hormones which then cause the health problems.
Is this true? He made it look like if you need healing then your only hope is basically finding someone like him who also knows about medical
stuff and who tries to find the "real reasons".

He also talked about curses and said that even christians can be under generational curses and that you have to look at the ancestors and so on.

And then he also said if you're a christian and want healing and at the same time are not willing to be a member of a church and engage in church
and pay tithes then you can forget about healing because this is a commandment from God and if we don't obey then we also won't get healed.

Are these statements true? I must say I really regret talking to this person cause I feel not good now.

 

[rockytopva]

When going before God in prayer...

1. Ask the Father in the name of Jesus
2. Believe that you will receive what you are asking him for
3. Find others to believe with you in prayer
4. Have patience and continue to believe...

(These steps are made clear in the Gospels of Jesus Christ)

RW Schambach - Faith - YouTube
RW Schambach - The Divine Touch - YouTube

 

[wr2]

But what about other conditions to answered prayers like being obedient and so on? If going to church is a part of obedience and a christian does not go to church then does this mean he can't get prayers answered because God's angry or upset?

 

[rockytopva]

My friend... It is important in all things to continue in faith.

And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat: But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren. - Luke 22:31-33

There was a wide variety of things the Lord could have prayed over for Peter. But he chose to pray for his faith. Faith is the cornerstone to our Christian walk and the stability of our souls!

 

[wr2]

But how do you know you have faith?

And how do you know if you're doubting in your heart when you get doubts?
I get doubts all the time and then I can't even tell where the doubts are.

 

[rockytopva]

... God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith. - Romans 12:3

So we all have a little faith.


... having hope, when your faith is increased, that we shall be enlarged by you according to our rule abundantly... - II Cor 12:15

Paul is saying here that when the faith arises in the people... So they also will be enlarged.

 

[wr2]

But how do you know you have faith? How can you tell it?
I'm not sure if you understand what I mean. I struggled to finally get faith and to feel faith and to hold on to it but I never got to this point.
I can listen to a sermon and it simply doesn't click. It's all so abstract. I think to myself that since God is allmighty there should never be a reason for christians to be depressed or feel hopeless. But at the same time I don't know how to appropriate the things which God provides. I simply don't know how to get to the point where the things which I hear in a sermon become a reality for me and not just words. I have studied healing for example for months daily and still it never clicked. I know the verses and everything but it's still so abstract and not really a reality.

 

[Tee_w]

[FONT=Palatino Linotype, serif]Romans 15:13 Now may the God of hope fill you with all [/FONT][FONT=Palatino Linotype, serif]joy[/FONT][FONT=Palatino Linotype, serif] and peace [/FONT][FONT=Palatino Linotype, serif]in [/FONT][FONT=Palatino Linotype, serif]believing[/FONT][FONT=Palatino Linotype, serif], so that you will abound [/FONT][FONT=Palatino Linotype, serif]in[/FONT][FONT=Palatino Linotype, serif] hope by the power of the Holy Spirit. [/FONT]


[FONT=Palatino Linotype, serif]This is what happens when your faith is activated, when you are truly believing you usually have a sense of inner peace followed by joy then the thing you have prayed for happens. [/FONT]


[FONT=Palatino Linotype, serif]I would also add when the Bible speaks of hope it is not the modern English definition of hope, it is a confident expectation, a certainty.[/FONT]


[FONT=Palatino Linotype, serif]Blessings,[/FONT]
[FONT=Palatino Linotype, serif]Tee[/FONT]

 

[whatfor]

I talked to a christian today who is in the healing ministry and who somehow has a bit of a medical background and he said a
few confusing things to me which trouble me.

For example he said you cannot simply pray against a symptom and make a symptom disappear. He said if a person for example
has pain in his joints then you can't simply pray the pain away you have to look at the real reasons for the joint pain which could be
year long fear which then causes your brain to produce too many hormones which then cause the health problems.
Is this true? He made it look like if you need healing then your only hope is basically finding someone like him who also knows about medical
stuff and who tries to find the "real reasons".

He also talked about curses and said that even christians can be under generational curses and that you have to look at the ancestors and so on.

And then he also said if you're a christian and want healing and at the same time are not willing to be a member of a church and engage in church
and pay tithes then you can forget about healing because this is a commandment from God and if we don't obey then we also won't get healed.

Are these statements true? I must say I really regret talking to this person cause I feel not good now.

I have prayed against the symptom and seen results, I have seen others do it too.
But sometimes more is needed against curses demons unforgiveness etc.

I do not agree with the statement about not titheing, or being in church.
I have seen many healed without this requirement.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

I talked to a christian today who is in the healing ministry and who somehow has a bit of a medical background and he said a
few confusing things to me which trouble me.

For example he said you cannot simply pray against a symptom and make a symptom disappear. He said if a person for example
has pain in his joints then you can't simply pray the pain away you have to look at the real reasons for the joint pain which could be
year long fear which then causes your brain to produce too many hormones which then cause the health problems.
Is this true? He made it look like if you need healing then your only hope is basically finding someone like him who also knows about medical
stuff and who tries to find the "real reasons".

Jesus was very simple in His approach. He didn't worry too much. In some cases He said, "Go your way, you are healed". Another place He said, "Take up your bed and walk". He told the Centurion to go home because his servant was healed.

If I am ministering to a person with pain in the joints, I tell those joints to come into alignment with God's Word. I treat sickness as though it is a naughty dog with muddy paws jumping up on my favourite clean sofa. I don't pussyfoot around with it. I say "Get right off the sofa you naughty dog, and I am going to lay hands on you to make sure you do it!" Our body parts have ears and can hear what we say to them, and if they are afflicted we can cast out the affliction and tell those body parts to be repaired. We have that authority.

Yes. Pain has to come from somewhere. You don't have to speak to the pain, but to the body part where the pain is coming from. If you don't know what is causing the pain, you can start with being general like, "body part, be healed, in the Name of Jesus."

This stuff about the brain and fear is just the product of man's wisdom, and has no bearing on faith for healing. You can safely ignore that. It is the Holy Spirit who has the ability and power to heal, and you are working in partnership with Him. Your role is to speak with authority to the affected part of the body. His role is to provide the actual healing. And He will always act in accordance with God's Word, and God's Word says, "They shall lay hands on the sick and they shall recover", and "I am the Lord who heals you." and, "By His stripes you were healed."

We are not doctors. That person who is giving you medical advice may be guilty of trying to practice medicine without a licence. We are in the healing ministry, depending on the Holy Spirit. Let's not confuse the two separate roles. If you need a doctor, by all means go that way, but if the Holy Spirit brings total healing, then you don't need the doctor.

He also talked about curses and said that even christians can be under generational curses and that you have to look at the ancestors and so on.

Absolute nonsense. This person does not understand or believe in the born again experience. When a person is born again, they become totally new creatures in Christ. As a result, we go back only one generation - to Christ. All previous generations are wiped out, because our generation as born again believers starts with Christ, and He became our curse for us so that we are totally free from all generational curses. I can't be bothered mentioning anything more about that because it is a ridiculous doctrine.

And then he also said if you're a christian and want healing and at the same time are not willing to be a member of a church and engage in church
and pay tithes then you can forget about healing because this is a commandment from God and if we don't obey then we also won't get healed.

Rubbish! Healing has already been provided for us through the Atonement, and therefore it comes through the grace and mercy of God. If we had to buy it through being a member of a church or giving tithes, then it is no longer of grace. Jesus healed unconverted Jews during His ministry. There was no church and no born again Christians during His time on earth, and yet He healed all those who came to Him. In most cases He did not wait to ask whether these people were true believers or whether they paid tithes. He healed them first and dealt with anything else afterwards. The man at the pool of Bethseda was healed and then Jesus must have detected that he has some type of sin because He told him to go his way and sin no more lest a worse thing came upon him.

When the Apostles healed people, most of the people being healed were not yet members of the Church. But that did not stop them being healed. But you bet after they were healed they joined the Church all right!

But that is another stupid, foolish doctrine that you are better off ignoring.

Are these statements true? I must say I really regret talking to this person cause I feel not good now.

The person who made these statements to you does not understand what being born again is all about, nor does that person accept that healing comes through the grace and mercy of God. Jesus heals people first and then deals with their life afterward.

Maybe if that person doesn't know what being born again is all about, he may still be living in the Old Covenant and still needs to be born again...

Therefore, in the Name of Jesus, lift up your head, and the hands that hang down in discouragment, stir up the gift that is within you, and start ministering healing to everyone who crosses your path with a medical condition, whether they are Christian or unconverted.

That is the best way of proving that bloke totally wrong!

 

[Pamelav]

"Faith comes by hearing the Word of Christ" It is something that grows by being in God's Word.

 

[Pamelav]

shoot, well, I couldn't delete this. But I wanted to add i am not claiming to be a real mature christian, but that i something I definitly do know about, so I had to share it.

 

[franky67]

"Faith comes by hearing the Word of Christ" It is something that grows by being in God's Word.

This answers all the questions the OP asked.

The more one meditates on the truths of God's will for healing, the more their doubt is dealt with.

Pay no heed to denominational beliefs regarding healing.

 

[Salmon89]

Hey, it is of true that the touch of any human kind sends healing signals, giving someone a genuine hug a day could do wonders everyone is different and a touch of a woman is different from a man an each of us have our different signals sent to heal the matter of us being Christians is that the healing is intensified with the power of the holy spirit, Power dont come over night you have to constantly stir up that spirit. By prayers, supplications, praise, and Faith. Faith takes you a long way even when you think someone is not being healed something is happening in you and your healing client believe me your works are not done in vain but i would like to add trying to heal on your own is difficult its takes a lot of power to heal and may not be done by just one mans power Jesus was sufficient for that but we got to work as a team with faith

 

[brinny]

Jesus was very simple in His approach. He didn't worry too much. In some cases He said, "Go your way, you are healed". Another place He said, "Take up your bed and walk". He told the Centurion to go home because his servant was healed.

If I am ministering to a person with pain in the joints, I tell those joints to come into alignment with God's Word. I treat sickness as though it is a naughty dog with muddy paws jumping up on my favourite clean sofa. I don't pussyfoot around with it. I say "Get right off the sofa you naughty dog, and I am going to lay hands on you to make sure you do it!" Our body parts have ears and can hear what we say to them, and if they are afflicted we can cast out the affliction and tell those body parts to be repaired. We have that authority.

Yes. Pain has to come from somewhere. You don't have to speak to the pain, but to the body part where the pain is coming from. If you don't know what is causing the pain, you can start with being general like, "body part, be healed, in the Name of Jesus."

This stuff about the brain and fear is just the product of man's wisdom, and has no bearing on faith for healing. You can safely ignore that. It is the Holy Spirit who has the ability and power to heal, and you are working in partnership with Him. Your role is to speak with authority to the affected part of the body. His role is to provide the actual healing. And He will always act in accordance with God's Word, and God's Word says, "They shall lay hands on the sick and they shall recover", and "I am the Lord who heals you." and, "By His stripes you were healed."

We are not doctors. That person who is giving you medical advice may be guilty of trying to practice medicine without a licence. We are in the healing ministry, depending on the Holy Spirit. Let's not confuse the two separate roles. If you need a doctor, by all means go that way, but if the Holy Spirit brings total healing, then you don't need the doctor.




Absolute nonsense. This person does not understand or believe in the born again experience. When a person is born again, they become totally new creatures in Christ. As a result, we go back only one generation - to Christ. All previous generations are wiped out, because our generation as born again believers starts with Christ, and He became our curse for us so that we are totally free from all generational curses. I can't be bothered mentioning anything more about that because it is a ridiculous doctrine.



Rubbish! Healing has already been provided for us through the Atonement, and therefore it comes through the grace and mercy of God. If we had to buy it through being a member of a church or giving tithes, then it is no longer of grace. Jesus healed unconverted Jews during His ministry. There was no church and no born again Christians during His time on earth, and yet He healed all those who came to Him. In most cases He did not wait to ask whether these people were true believers or whether they paid tithes. He healed them first and dealt with anything else afterwards. The man at the pool of Bethseda was healed and then Jesus must have detected that he has some type of sin because He told him to go his way and sin no more lest a worse thing came upon him.

When the Apostles healed people, most of the people being healed were not yet members of the Church. But that did not stop them being healed. But you bet after they were healed they joined the Church all right!

But that is another stupid, foolish doctrine that you are better off ignoring.



The person who made these statements to you does not understand what being born again is all about, nor does that person accept that healing comes through the grace and mercy of God. Jesus heals people first and then deals with their life afterward.

Maybe if that person doesn't know what being born again is all about, he may still be living in the Old Covenant and still needs to be born again...

Therefore, in the Name of Jesus, lift up your head, and the hands that hang down in discouragment, stir up the gift that is within you, and start ministering healing to everyone who crosses your path with a medical condition, whether they are Christian or unconverted.

That is the best way of proving that bloke totally wrong!

amen, brother.

 

[tobethebest]

Please step away from those answers. Word of Faith people have all kinds of answers for why a person isn't healed. Their number one response is to blame the person for a lack of faith or a lack of forgiveness, or not following in God's "perfect will." There are scores of answers that all are unfounded and show a deep ignorance towards compassion or mercy. How many faith healers do you find walking in hospitals and laying hands on the sick so that they recover? How many so called healing ministers don't have large denominations and wealth beyond measure? From the time of Kenneth Hagin, there are scores of evangelists and televangelists who have gained the whole world and in the process are quite possibly losing their own soul. No one person has the answers to healing. I must admit after being an usher for Kathryn Kuhlman, I was a witness to the demonstation of the power of God and the wind of the Spirit of God saturated those auditoriums. Oh how I miss her and the good she was allowed to perform on so many people's lives. Outside of her it was a zoo, last time we saw Benny Hinn he was collecting money from all the poorest of the poor in the audience and we couldn't tolerate watching it anymore. Those on stage were wealthy beyond words and you could see it in their clothes, their jewelry, everything about them. It was Benny Hinn who needed to give to the audience. Had he done that I'm quite sure he would have been listening to God. My words to you are all we can do is be compassionate toward others and plead for the mercy of God and avoid "word of faith" teachings and fellowships. Flee from them and save your sanity. Better to have no fellowship at all than to sit under "word of faith" doctrine. That is my personal opinion and the opinion of many others like me. It will makes monsters out of all of them and will destroy a lack of social contact with people. Peace

 

[Tee_w]

[FONT=Palatino Linotype, serif]There are many reasons why people are not healed that can be verified by the Bible. But as a general rule I would say that the Christians who receive divine healing consistently and easily are usually well balanced people. They love the Lord, they are pleasant people to fellowship with, they forgive quickly and don't hold grudges, they have an active faith and know what it means to please God and do so. On the other hand the Christians who have difficulty receiving divine healing our often messed-up on the inside - in their mind and emotions, in such instances it can take hours of counselling and prayer to get these folk to a place whereby they can be healed; assuming of course they are open to such ministry. [/FONT]
[FONT=Palatino Linotype, serif]A good pastor with the time and compassion to minister to such folk is often needed or specialist ministry such as Restoring the foundations ministries, freedom in Christ ministries or Ellel Grange ministries here in the UK. [/FONT]


[FONT=Palatino Linotype, serif]As for going into hospitals and healing all the sick in them this is simply not realistic. Many people are simply not open to receive a message on divine healing leave alone salvation as many Christian ministers can testify to. [/FONT]


[FONT=Palatino Linotype, serif]As for criticising the Lord's anointed this is not a wise thing to do. I have no doubt whatsoever that Benny Hinn is the Lord's anointed. However, if he was to messes-up and gets it all wrong and finish his life and ministry badly that is between him and the Lord.[/FONT]
[FONT=Palatino Linotype, serif]However, I believe the wise thing to do is to honour him as the Lord's anointed, Just as David did with King Saul. [/FONT]


[FONT=Palatino Linotype, serif]As for criticising word of faith preachers this again is not wise, not all word of faith preachers are wrong indeed many of them are the Lord's anointed. [/FONT]


[FONT=Palatino Linotype, serif]Probably the world's greatest living evangelist T.L. Osborn who is definitely in the word of faith camp has preached a full gospel to millions and seen hundreds of thousands receive salvation and probably as many receive healing miracles of just about every type. [/FONT]


[FONT=Palatino Linotype, serif]Finally I like to say I believe your post is prejudice and since prejudice is' Being down on what you are not up on.' You should keep your comments to things that are actually helpful for building people up not discouraging them by bad brushing the whole word of faith movement;[/FONT]
[FONT=Palatino Linotype, serif]such sweeping generalisations are helpful to no one![/FONT]

 

[whatfor]

[FONT=Palatino Linotype, serif]There are many reasons why people are not healed that can be verified by the Bible. But as a general rule I would say that the Christians who receive divine healing consistently and easily are usually well balanced people. They love the Lord, they are pleasant people to fellowship with, they forgive quickly and don't hold grudges, they have an active faith and know what it means to please God and do so. On the other hand the Christians who have difficulty receiving divine healing our often messed-up on the inside - in their mind and emotions, in such instances it can take hours of counselling and prayer to get these folk to a place whereby they can be healed; assuming of course they are open to such ministry. [/FONT]
[FONT=Palatino Linotype, serif]A good pastor with the time and compassion to minister to such folk is often needed or specialist ministry such as Restoring the foundations ministries, freedom in Christ ministries or Ellel Grange ministries here in the UK. [/FONT]


[FONT=Palatino Linotype, serif]As for going into hospitals and healing all the sick in them this is simply not realistic. Many people are simply not open to receive a message on divine healing leave alone salvation as many Christian ministers can testify to. [/FONT]


[FONT=Palatino Linotype, serif]As for criticising the Lord's anointed this is a wise thing to do. I have no doubt whatsoever that Benny Hinn is the Lord's anointed. However, if he was to messes-up and gets it all wrong and finish his life and ministry badly that is between him and the Lord.[/FONT]
[FONT=Palatino Linotype, serif]However, I believe the wise thing to do is to honour him as the Lord's anointed, Just as David did with King Saul. [/FONT]


[FONT=Palatino Linotype, serif]As for criticising word of faith preachers this again is not wise, not all word of faith preachers are wrong indeed many of them are the Lord's anointed. [/FONT]


[FONT=Palatino Linotype, serif]Probably the world's greatest living evangelist T.L. Osborne who is definitely in the word of faith camp has preached a full gospel to millions and seen hundreds of thousands receive salvation and probably as many receive healing miracles of just about every type. [/FONT]


[FONT=Palatino Linotype, serif]Finally I like to say I believe your post is prejudice and since prejudice is' Being down on what you are not up on.' You should keep your comments to things that are actually helpful for building people up not discouraging them by bad brushing the whole word of faith movement;[/FONT]
[FONT=Palatino Linotype, serif]such sweeping generalisations are helpful to no one![/FONT]

I agree

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

I talked to a christian today who is in the healing ministry and who somehow has a bit of a medical background and he said a
few confusing things to me which trouble me.

For example he said you cannot simply pray against a symptom and make a symptom disappear. He said if a person for example
has pain in his joints then you can't simply pray the pain away you have to look at the real reasons for the joint pain which could be
year long fear which then causes your brain to produce too many hormones which then cause the health problems.
Is this true? He made it look like if you need healing then your only hope is basically finding someone like him who also knows about medical
stuff and who tries to find the "real reasons".

If you read the Gospels, you will see that Jesus did not worry about the causes. He took a very simple approach. All He said was "go your way, your faith has made you whole", or "take up your bed and walk". Basically, He said to people, "You are healed", nothing more. There was only one place in John 9 where He answer a question about causes - He told his disciples that it was not because of his or his parents' sin, but that the glory of God was to be demonstrated in his healing.

We are not doctors. We are given the command and the authority to lay hands on the sick and expect them to recover. My favourite prayer is, "You are healed, in Jesus' Name."

He also talked about curses and said that even christians can be under generational curses and that you have to look at the ancestors and so on.

Not true. When a person is born again, he is a new creature. The generation goes back only to Christ then. All previous generations and their effects cease at the moment a person accepts Christ. Jesus took all the curses upon Himself and the moment we are born again, we are set free from all curses, including generational ones. Anything less is degrading the born again experience.

And then he also said if you're a christian and want healing and at the same time are not willing to be a member of a church and engage in church
and pay tithes then you can forget about healing because this is a commandment from God and if we don't obey then we also won't get healed.

All I can say is that there are lies, damned lies, and then that last statement. What absolute nonsense! The guy that said that obviously has not read the Gospels. There is no commandment under the New Covenant about paying tithes. The guy is giving you a perverted gospel of works. He is preaching a different gospel to what Paul preached.

Healing is by God's unmerited grace. Most instant healings happened to non church people and this causes them to come to Christ.

Are these statements true? I must say I really regret talking to this person cause I feel not good now.

The very fact that you don't feel good after talking with this person is a reliable indicator that the person is not speaking in the Spirit. There is another spirit behind his speaking whose purpose is to destroy your faith in Christ.

Download Curry Blake's Divine Healing Technicians Training Course. You can get it off the internet either as MP3 files or off Youtube as a set of videos. This will make you feel a lot more confident about the healing ministry.

Whoops! I repeated my previous post! Oh well, too bad, how sad, never mind.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

Please step away from those answers. Word of Faith people have all kinds of answers for why a person isn't healed. Their number one response is to blame the person for a lack of faith or a lack of forgiveness, or not following in God's "perfect will." There are scores of answers that all are unfounded and show a deep ignorance towards compassion or mercy. How many faith healers do you find walking in hospitals and laying hands on the sick so that they recover? How many so called healing ministers don't have large denominations and wealth beyond measure? From the time of Kenneth Hagin, there are scores of evangelists and televangelists who have gained the whole world and in the process are quite possibly losing their own soul. No one person has the answers to healing. I must admit after being an usher for Kathryn Kuhlman, I was a witness to the demonstation of the power of God and the wind of the Spirit of God saturated those auditoriums. Oh how I miss her and the good she was allowed to perform on so many people's lives. Outside of her it was a zoo, last time we saw Benny Hinn he was collecting money from all the poorest of the poor in the audience and we couldn't tolerate watching it anymore. Those on stage were wealthy beyond words and you could see it in their clothes, their jewelry, everything about them. It was Benny Hinn who needed to give to the audience. Had he done that I'm quite sure he would have been listening to God. My words to you are all we can do is be compassionate toward others and plead for the mercy of God and avoid "word of faith" teachings and fellowships. Flee from them and save your sanity. Better to have no fellowship at all than to sit under "word of faith" doctrine. That is my personal opinion and the opinion of many others like me. It will makes monsters out of all of them and will destroy a lack of social contact with people. Peace

You'd be better off looking away from these people and concentrate on the Gospels. Jesus is our model. He is anointed healer. If you follow His model and see people genuinely healed as a result, you won't bother worrying about others who are doing their own thing instead of the Word of God.