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<blockquote data-quote="Gxg (G²)" data-source="post: 66142406" data-attributes="member: 238335"><p>Really amazing article (in regards to the OP) on the political impact of Haiti's successful revolution - and <a href="http://www.iacenter.org/haiti/impact.htm" target="_blank">the Confederate propaganda which used Haiti as an example to bolster it's cause</a>...as seen if one chooses to go o to <a href="http://www.h-net.org/reviews/showrev.php?id=25185" target="_blank">H-Net Reviews</a> or the following:</p><p></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=XZTcAAAAQBAJ&pg=PA114&lpg=PA114&dq=Haitian+Revolution+and+the+Confederacy&source=bl&ots=zlzxJGh3cs&sig=G1tYScPp9uaW1KWwAkb78EcTtB0&hl=en&sa=X&ei=HirnU8SNH9K1yASwuYGYAQ&ved=0CCoQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=Haitian%20Revolution%20and%20the%20Confederacy&f=false" target="_blank">African Americans and the Haitian Revolution: Selected Essays and Historical ... - Google Books</a></li> </ul><p></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=9i7GIBAvRQUC&pg=PA151&dq=Haitian+Revolution+and+the+Confederacy&hl=en&sa=X&ei=5yznU4LmMJPC8gH3_4CIDg&ved=0CDUQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=Haitian%20Revolution%20and%20the%20Confederacy&f=false" target="_blank">Toussaint Louverture and the American Civil War: The Promise and Peril of a ... - Matthew J. Clavin - Google Books</a></li> </ul><p></p><p>What occurred with the Revolution - led by Toussaint Louverture - is a significant turning point in human history. </p><p></p><p style="text-align: center"><img src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/32/G%C3%A9n%C3%A9ral_Toussaint_Louverture.jpg/220px-G%C3%A9n%C3%A9ral_Toussaint_Louverture.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.badassoftheweek.com/toussaint.html" target="_blank"></a></p><p style="text-align: center"><a href="http://www.badassoftheweek.com/toussaint.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.badassoftheweek.com/toussaint.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></a></p><p>As another<a href="http://cwemancipation.wordpress.com/2011/09/06/specter-of-the-haitian-revolution/" target="_blank"> noted wisely</a>:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><a href="https://www.boundless.com/u-s-history/textbooks/boundless-u-s-history-textbook/the-federalist-era-1789-1801-10/political-conflicts-in-the-west-east-and-south-91/in-the-south-the-haitian-revolution-503-9700/?" target="_blank">In the South: The Haitian Revolution </a></li> </ul><p></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><a href="http://people.hofstra.edu/alan_j_singer/CoursePacks/ToussaintLOuvertureandtheHaitianRevolution.pdf" target="_blank">"Toussaint L&#8217;Ouverture and the Haitian Revolution - William Katz - Black Indians"</a></li> </ul><p></p><p></p><p> As said <a href="http://www.christianforums.com/t7831858-20/#post66001274" target="_blank">before elsewhere</a>, &#8220;The freedom of the negroes, if recognised in Saint Domingue [Haiti] and legalised by France would at all times be a rallying point for freedom-seekers of the New World&#8221;, as said by U.S. president Thomas Jefferson...and it's not a hidden reality that the U.S actively worked with others to undermine Haiti since they were VERY fearful of their growth. In fact, the slave-owning President Thomas Jefferson imposed sanctions on Haiti in 1804 that lasted until 1862 - with these decades of sanctions cutting Haiti off from the world and even from the rest of the Caribbean since every ship that docked from a European country or from the U.S. could be an invasion or carry new demands for onerous concessions. Nontheless, Haiti survived.....and man<a href="http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/12/21/dreaming-of-haiti/" target="_blank">y blacks sought to immigrate to Haiti</a> - Haiti <a href="http://www.smith.edu/history/documents/TheBlackRepublic.pdf" target="_blank">occupied a HUGE role in the Black Consciousness...</a></p><p><a href="http://www.smith.edu/history/documents/TheBlackRepublic.pdf" target="_blank"></a> (more discussed in <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=wl4Zw6DbWn4C&pg=PA51&dq=Haiti+Immigration+project:+Frederick+Douglass&hl=en&sa=X&ei=jI3GU7vvEdGSyATC7IGYDw&ved=0CCcQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=Haiti%20Immigration%20project%3A%20Frederick%20Douglass&f=false" target="_blank">Sanctuary: African Americans and Empire - Nicole Waligora-Davis - Google Books</a> and <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=cCMbE4KKlX4C&pg=RA2-PA17&dq=Haiti+Immigration+project:+Frederick+Douglass&hl=en&sa=X&ei=jI3GU7vvEdGSyATC7IGYDw&ved=0CBwQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Haiti%20Immigration%20project%3A%20Frederick%20Douglass&f=false" target="_blank">Encyclopedia of African American History, 1619-1895: From the Colonial ... - Google Books</a> ). </p><p></p><p>In fact, Frederick Douglass, <a href="http://www.canadahaitiaction.ca/content/frederick-douglass-1893-speech-haitian-pavilion-chicago-world-fair" target="_blank">in his &#8220;Lecture on Haiti,&#8221; which he delivered on Jan. 2, 1893 at the famous Quinn Chapel of the African Methodist Episcopal Church, posits that the Haitian Revolution was a turning point in world history and equally in the human narrative of freedom.</a> He noted that the slaves at Saint-Domingue were also actors in history and key makers of modernity as well as proponents of freedom and defenders of the rights of all men and women. Moreover, Douglass also used the Haitian revolution to address the essentialist character of race and racial groups&#8212;an idea that was prevalent in his time&#8212;which scientific racism of the 19th century employed to account for &#8220;racial achievement&#8221; in world history.</p><p></p><p> But many Western nations still chose to oppose Haiti - for fears that Haiti's successful revolt could inspire slave insurrections in the United States led to increased restrictions on the movements of blacks in Southern states, with the racism of whites/Europeans against blacks being hard to ignore. But during the period of antebellum slavery and after, Haiti profoundly impacted the imagination of African-American political activism. Prior to the Civil War, Frederick Douglass spoke for most African-Americans when he referred to the "bright example" of Haiti, calling Toussaint Louverture "the noble liberator and law-giver of his brave and dauntless people."</p><p></p><p>Haiti went on to play a pivotal role (despite the attacks against it) in the liberation of Latin America from Spanish colonial rule - as they provided ships, soldiers, guns and provisions from their supplies Simón Bolívar when he was desperate. However, Haiti was still a threat to the U.S and thus they sought to take it by force later on...</p><p></p><p>People see the destruction that has occurred in Haiti - but not many wish to see that the stage for that was set by the neo-colonial manipulations of the Haitian economy and governments by the U.S. (as well as Canada and France), going back to the U.S. effort to destroy the independent state after the revolutionary slaves defeated the French and fear spread that success would motivate U.S. slaves to also rebel.</p><p></p><p>Not many consider the economic consequences of the Haitian Revolution and how the event<a href="http://history.uwo.ca/Conferences/trade-and-conflict/files/topik.pdf" target="_blank"> served to diffuse and expand tropical exports elsewhere in the </a></p><p><a href="http://history.uwo.ca/Conferences/trade-and-conflict/files/topik.pdf" target="_blank">Americas and amplify consumption in the United States and Western Europe</a>. It literally shifted the way that trade actually occurred - which later impacted dynamics of the Confederacy and the Union. And interestingly enough, even others for the Confederacy and the Golden Circle have noted the significance of the matter in how racial fear promoted a lot of the reactions that occurred - more seen in <a href="http://southernnationalist.com/blog/2014/04/17/hamilton-vs-jefferson-washington-on-haitian-revolution/" target="_blank">Hamilton vs Jefferson & Washington on Haitian Revolution | Southern Nationalist Network</a> and <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Knights-Golden-Circle-Conflicting-Dimensions/dp/0807150045" target="_blank">Knights of the Golden Circle: Secret Empire, Southern Secession, Civil War</a> by <a href="http://civilwarmed.blogspot.com/2013/04/knights-of-golden-circle-interview-with.html" target="_blank">David C. Keehn</a> </p><p></p><p>In light o<a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=TuLuXy7ewxkC&pg=PA164&lpg=PA164&dq=The+Confederacy+won:+Haiti+Revolution&source=bl&ots=pNy6t_uVk4&sig=HIdQjWLOF1_vBhweLPGwItQWCd8&hl=en&sa=X&ei=cMXnU6vIKMT1yAS7jYH4Ag&ved=0CEgQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=The%20Confederacy%20won%3A%20Haiti%20Revolution&f=false" target="_blank">f how fear of a second Haitian Revolution was a fear in both the North and the South</a>, Who knows what would have happened if Haiti had to deal with the Confederacy instead of the Union - but the history is fascinating. There was a pretty intensive book that I read recently on the matter and that amazed me, entitled <em><a href="http://neoamericanist.org/review/encountering-revolution" target="_blank">Encountering Revolution: Haiti and the Making of the Early Republic</a></em> by Ashli White</p><p></p><p style="text-align: center"><a href="http://vimeo.com/18967002" target="_blank">Encountering Revolution: Haiti and the Making of the Early Republic on Vimeo</a></p> <p style="text-align: center"><a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=eNf6pyVkAeIC&printsec=frontcover&dq=Encountering+Revolution&hl=en&sa=X&ei=isznU7KrBrL28QG2toD4Bw&ved=0CCUQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Encountering%20Revolution&f=false" target="_blank"></a></p><p style="text-align: center"><a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=eNf6pyVkAeIC&printsec=frontcover&dq=Encountering+Revolution&hl=en&sa=X&ei=isznU7KrBrL28QG2toD4Bw&ved=0CCUQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Encountering%20Revolution&f=false" target="_blank"><img src="http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51pOHn%2BQ-eL.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p></p> <p style="text-align: center"></a></p> <p style="text-align: center"><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oDVnj4RjDc" target="_blank">Episode 15 (Segment 3): The Impact of the Haitian Revolution - YouTube</a></p> <p style="text-align: center"><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sqh1h8SEcEc" target="_blank">Greatest Black Emancipation : The Haitian Revolution (1791-1804) - YouTube</a></p> <p style="text-align: center"><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOGVgQYX6SU" target="_blank">PBS Egalite for All: Toussaint Louverture and the Haitian Revolution (2009) - YouTube</a></p> <p style="text-align: center"></p> <p style="text-align: center"></p> <p style="text-align: center"><img src="https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Sqh1h8SEcEc/maxresdefault.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Gxg (G²), post: 66142406, member: 238335"] Really amazing article (in regards to the OP) on the political impact of Haiti's successful revolution - and [URL="http://www.iacenter.org/haiti/impact.htm"]the Confederate propaganda which used Haiti as an example to bolster it's cause[/URL]...as seen if one chooses to go o to [url=http://www.h-net.org/reviews/showrev.php?id=25185]H-Net Reviews[/url] or the following: [LIST] [*][url=http://books.google.com/books?id=XZTcAAAAQBAJ&pg=PA114&lpg=PA114&dq=Haitian+Revolution+and+the+Confederacy&source=bl&ots=zlzxJGh3cs&sig=G1tYScPp9uaW1KWwAkb78EcTtB0&hl=en&sa=X&ei=HirnU8SNH9K1yASwuYGYAQ&ved=0CCoQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=Haitian%20Revolution%20and%20the%20Confederacy&f=false]African Americans and the Haitian Revolution: Selected Essays and Historical ... - Google Books[/url] [/LIST] [LIST] [*][url=http://books.google.com/books?id=9i7GIBAvRQUC&pg=PA151&dq=Haitian+Revolution+and+the+Confederacy&hl=en&sa=X&ei=5yznU4LmMJPC8gH3_4CIDg&ved=0CDUQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=Haitian%20Revolution%20and%20the%20Confederacy&f=false]Toussaint Louverture and the American Civil War: The Promise and Peril of a ... - Matthew J. Clavin - Google Books[/url] [/LIST] What occurred with the Revolution - led by Toussaint Louverture - is a significant turning point in human history. [CENTER][IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/32/G%C3%A9n%C3%A9ral_Toussaint_Louverture.jpg/220px-G%C3%A9n%C3%A9ral_Toussaint_Louverture.jpg[/IMG][/CENTER] [URL="http://www.badassoftheweek.com/toussaint.html"] [CENTER][IMG]http://www.badassoftheweek.com/toussaint.jpg[/IMG][/CENTER] [/URL] As another[URL="http://cwemancipation.wordpress.com/2011/09/06/specter-of-the-haitian-revolution/"] noted wisely[/URL]: [LIST] [*][URL="https://www.boundless.com/u-s-history/textbooks/boundless-u-s-history-textbook/the-federalist-era-1789-1801-10/political-conflicts-in-the-west-east-and-south-91/in-the-south-the-haitian-revolution-503-9700/?"]In the South: The Haitian Revolution [/URL] [/LIST] [LIST] [*][URL="http://people.hofstra.edu/alan_j_singer/CoursePacks/ToussaintLOuvertureandtheHaitianRevolution.pdf"]"Toussaint L’Ouverture and the Haitian Revolution - William Katz - Black Indians"[/URL] [/LIST] As said [URL="http://www.christianforums.com/t7831858-20/#post66001274"]before elsewhere[/URL], “The freedom of the negroes, if recognised in Saint Domingue [Haiti] and legalised by France would at all times be a rallying point for freedom-seekers of the New World”, as said by U.S. president Thomas Jefferson...and it's not a hidden reality that the U.S actively worked with others to undermine Haiti since they were VERY fearful of their growth. In fact, the slave-owning President Thomas Jefferson imposed sanctions on Haiti in 1804 that lasted until 1862 - with these decades of sanctions cutting Haiti off from the world and even from the rest of the Caribbean since every ship that docked from a European country or from the U.S. could be an invasion or carry new demands for onerous concessions. Nontheless, Haiti survived.....and man[URL="http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/12/21/dreaming-of-haiti/"]y blacks sought to immigrate to Haiti[/URL] - Haiti [URL="http://www.smith.edu/history/documents/TheBlackRepublic.pdf"]occupied a HUGE role in the Black Consciousness... [/URL] (more discussed in [url=http://books.google.com/books?id=wl4Zw6DbWn4C&pg=PA51&dq=Haiti+Immigration+project:+Frederick+Douglass&hl=en&sa=X&ei=jI3GU7vvEdGSyATC7IGYDw&ved=0CCcQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=Haiti%20Immigration%20project%3A%20Frederick%20Douglass&f=false]Sanctuary: African Americans and Empire - Nicole Waligora-Davis - Google Books[/url] and [url=http://books.google.com/books?id=cCMbE4KKlX4C&pg=RA2-PA17&dq=Haiti+Immigration+project:+Frederick+Douglass&hl=en&sa=X&ei=jI3GU7vvEdGSyATC7IGYDw&ved=0CBwQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Haiti%20Immigration%20project%3A%20Frederick%20Douglass&f=false]Encyclopedia of African American History, 1619-1895: From the Colonial ... - Google Books[/url] ). In fact, Frederick Douglass, [URL="http://www.canadahaitiaction.ca/content/frederick-douglass-1893-speech-haitian-pavilion-chicago-world-fair"]in his “Lecture on Haiti,” which he delivered on Jan. 2, 1893 at the famous Quinn Chapel of the African Methodist Episcopal Church, posits that the Haitian Revolution was a turning point in world history and equally in the human narrative of freedom.[/URL] He noted that the slaves at Saint-Domingue were also actors in history and key makers of modernity as well as proponents of freedom and defenders of the rights of all men and women. Moreover, Douglass also used the Haitian revolution to address the essentialist character of race and racial groups—an idea that was prevalent in his time—which scientific racism of the 19th century employed to account for “racial achievement” in world history. But many Western nations still chose to oppose Haiti - for fears that Haiti's successful revolt could inspire slave insurrections in the United States led to increased restrictions on the movements of blacks in Southern states, with the racism of whites/Europeans against blacks being hard to ignore. But during the period of antebellum slavery and after, Haiti profoundly impacted the imagination of African-American political activism. Prior to the Civil War, Frederick Douglass spoke for most African-Americans when he referred to the "bright example" of Haiti, calling Toussaint Louverture "the noble liberator and law-giver of his brave and dauntless people." Haiti went on to play a pivotal role (despite the attacks against it) in the liberation of Latin America from Spanish colonial rule - as they provided ships, soldiers, guns and provisions from their supplies Simón Bolívar when he was desperate. However, Haiti was still a threat to the U.S and thus they sought to take it by force later on... People see the destruction that has occurred in Haiti - but not many wish to see that the stage for that was set by the neo-colonial manipulations of the Haitian economy and governments by the U.S. (as well as Canada and France), going back to the U.S. effort to destroy the independent state after the revolutionary slaves defeated the French and fear spread that success would motivate U.S. slaves to also rebel. Not many consider the economic consequences of the Haitian Revolution and how the event[URL="http://history.uwo.ca/Conferences/trade-and-conflict/files/topik.pdf"] served to diffuse and expand tropical exports elsewhere in the Americas and amplify consumption in the United States and Western Europe[/URL]. It literally shifted the way that trade actually occurred - which later impacted dynamics of the Confederacy and the Union. And interestingly enough, even others for the Confederacy and the Golden Circle have noted the significance of the matter in how racial fear promoted a lot of the reactions that occurred - more seen in [url=http://southernnationalist.com/blog/2014/04/17/hamilton-vs-jefferson-washington-on-haitian-revolution/]Hamilton vs Jefferson & Washington on Haitian Revolution | Southern Nationalist Network[/url] and [URL="http://www.amazon.com/Knights-Golden-Circle-Conflicting-Dimensions/dp/0807150045"]Knights of the Golden Circle: Secret Empire, Southern Secession, Civil War[/URL] by [URL="http://civilwarmed.blogspot.com/2013/04/knights-of-golden-circle-interview-with.html"]David C. Keehn[/URL] In light o[URL="http://books.google.com/books?id=TuLuXy7ewxkC&pg=PA164&lpg=PA164&dq=The+Confederacy+won:+Haiti+Revolution&source=bl&ots=pNy6t_uVk4&sig=HIdQjWLOF1_vBhweLPGwItQWCd8&hl=en&sa=X&ei=cMXnU6vIKMT1yAS7jYH4Ag&ved=0CEgQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=The%20Confederacy%20won%3A%20Haiti%20Revolution&f=false"]f how fear of a second Haitian Revolution was a fear in both the North and the South[/URL], Who knows what would have happened if Haiti had to deal with the Confederacy instead of the Union - but the history is fascinating. There was a pretty intensive book that I read recently on the matter and that amazed me, entitled [I][URL="http://neoamericanist.org/review/encountering-revolution"]Encountering Revolution: Haiti and the Making of the Early Republic[/URL][/I] by Ashli White [CENTER][url=http://vimeo.com/18967002]Encountering Revolution: Haiti and the Making of the Early Republic on Vimeo[/url] [URL="http://books.google.com/books?id=eNf6pyVkAeIC&printsec=frontcover&dq=Encountering+Revolution&hl=en&sa=X&ei=isznU7KrBrL28QG2toD4Bw&ved=0CCUQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Encountering%20Revolution&f=false"] [CENTER][IMG]http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51pOHn%2BQ-eL.jpg[/IMG][/CENTER][/URL] [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oDVnj4RjDc]Episode 15 (Segment 3): The Impact of the Haitian Revolution - YouTube[/url] [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sqh1h8SEcEc]Greatest Black Emancipation : The Haitian Revolution (1791-1804) - YouTube[/url] [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOGVgQYX6SU]PBS Egalite for All: Toussaint Louverture and the Haitian Revolution (2009) - YouTube[/url] [IMG]https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Sqh1h8SEcEc/maxresdefault.jpg[/IMG][/CENTER] [/QUOTE]
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