Conception...how we're all murderers

[irateional]

Anyways, I'm just curious, but this is targeted more towards the crowd that believes life begins specifically at conception, what about the miscarriages?

Lots of women have an early miscarriage of the fertilized zygote, and in a lot of cases, a miscarriage occurs after conception. Is this murder? Afterall, the woman's body did what Plan B would've.

Secondly, there are trillions of combinations of genes to create trilliions of different people. It's mind-boggling. When someone masturbates, or when an egg passes after ovulation, a unique set of genes has disappeared. If in doing this we are in essence throwing out different possibilities of people, are we basically committing a sort of pseudo-abortion? Just wondering.

 

[Hadassah]

No.

Sometimes our bodies are ill and do not allow for the life which was created, to sustain itself where it should.

This is different from choosing to terminate when you have the perfect ability to procreate... you do not know that it is happening naturally if a zygote is not attached to the uterine wall.

If a child miscarries (naturally), you know, and it typically is not at the fault of the mother or outside sources.

Unfortunately, I have found that this can be a hard concept to grasp.. until it is something that hits you in the head directly

 

[Ave Maria]

No, its not murder. Even if I did adhere to the belief that life begins at conception (or personhood more accurately) I would not believe that it is murder. The woman cannot help if she miscarries or not.

 

[HypnoToad]

Lots of women have an early miscarriage of the fertilized zygote, and in a lot of cases, a miscarriage occurs after conception. Is this murder? Afterall, the woman's body did what Plan B would've.

No, murder is a willful act, a simple miscarriage is not.

Secondly, there are trillions of combinations of genes to create trilliions of different people. It's mind-boggling. When someone masturbates, or when an egg passes after ovulation, a unique set of genes has disappeared. If in doing this we are in essence throwing out different possibilities of people, are we basically committing a sort of pseudo-abortion? Just wondering.

No. A female egg is not a human being. A male sperm is not a human being.

 

[DoubtingThomas29]

No, murder is a willful act, a simple miscarriage is not.


No. A female egg is not a human being. A male sperm is not a human being.

To me a fetus is a parisite it is not a human being.

 

[HypnoToad]

To me a fetus is a parisite it is not a human being.

I have yet to see the scientific/biological/medical/Scriptural evidence that substantiates such a view.

Regardless, your view still disagrees with the OP as much as mine does.

 

[jad123]

To me a fetus is a parisite it is not a human being.

obviously some humans stay parasites!

 

[Calliso]

obviously some humans stay parasites!

Well not in a literally defination of one..but aye some humans do act like em ahha.

 

[cpejmmomma]

May I ask in the future that you be a tad different when phrasing things??

I have had two miscarriages and I did NOTHING wrong. I wanted my babies. I almost died trying to birth one of the babies because I was so adamant to not have a d&c.

 

[irateional]

I have yet to see the scientific/biological/medical/Scriptural evidence that substantiates such a view.

Regardless, your view still disagrees with the OP as much as mine does.

The scientific one is simple. Without a working brain, humans don't exist as humans. You aren't "alive" if you don't have a brain.

In the same way, until the fetus has a working brain, it is not alive.

 

[Atlantians]

The scientific one is simple. Without a working brain, humans don't exist as humans. You aren't "alive" if you don't have a brain.

In the same way, until the fetus has a working brain, it is not alive.

Uh... no.
Humans are any unique living members of the species of homo sapien sapien.

And "alive" is biological.
A zygot/Embryo/Fetus is alive by scientific deffinition of "life".

To me a fetus is a parisite it is not a human being.

A fetus is a living human being. A member of the species of homo sapien sapien genetically and bilogically.
A fetus is a child, as any "offspring" is a child. Child is synonymous with offspring.

A parasite can not, by deffinition, be a member of the same species as the "host".
The term parasite can not be applied to reproduction.

 

[jad123]

The scientific one is simple. Without a working brain, humans don't exist as humans. You aren't "alive" if you don't have a brain.

In the same way, until the fetus has a working brain, it is not alive.

Aren't plants alive?

 

[Calliso]

Aren't plants alive?

. A plant is different though and there are other forms of life too without brains or complicated nervous systems that are alive. But with no brain humans can;t be alive I think because the brain controls some very basic things..like lets say breathing and heartbeating. I think is maybe what he means.

 

[Atlantians]

. A plant is different though and there are other forms of life too without brains or complicated nervous systems that are alive. But with no brain humans can;t be alive I think because the brain controls some very basic things..like lets say breathing and heartbeating. I think is maybe what he means.

Alive is a biological/scientific term.
A child is alive because it is growing, working, and opperating.
The brain dousn't count until after it has formed.
So Terri Shiavo was considered dead because her btrain ceased functioning.
An embryo is developing a brain and the brain/no-brain thing is a non-issue.

The child has a basic nervous system from the get go.
That controls all that, aswell as the embillical cord.

 

[jad123]

. A plant is different though and there are other forms of life too without brains or complicated nervous systems that are alive. But with no brain humans can;t be alive I think because the brain controls some very basic things..like lets say breathing and heartbeating. I think is maybe what he means.

These are physical items required to survive outside of the mothers womb.

 

[TCat]

 

[April Angel]

A fetus has a working brain from around 4-6 weeks gestation.

 

[FreddyBenson]

Secondly, there are trillions of combinations of genes to create trilliions of different people. It's mind-boggling. When someone masturbates, or when an egg passes after ovulation, a unique set of genes has disappeared. If in doing this we are in essence throwing out different possibilities of people, are we basically committing a sort of pseudo-abortion? Just wondering.

It would seem that there is scientific evidence behind the traditional Orthodox and Catholic Church teaching against masturbation. This teaching is not just confined to the Christian Church. There are also teachings against masturbation in the traditional Jewish religion and the Muslim religion.

 

[NDNgirl4ever]

It would seem that there is scientific evidence behind the traditional Orthodox and Catholic Church teaching against masturbation. This teaching is not just confined to the Christian Church. There are also teachings against masturbation in the traditional Jewish religion and the Muslim religion.

How so? What scientfic evidence? I've read alot of medical text and articles on masturbation, and all of them agree that masturbation is good and completely harmless. I personally don't believe that masturbation is sin, and it's certainly not harmful. Can you provide proof of your opinion?

Proof of mine:

Is Masturbation Harmful?

In general, the medical community considers masturbation to be a natural and harmless expression of sexuality for both men and women. It does not cause any physical injury or harm to the body, and can be performed in moderation throughout a person's lifetime as a part of normal sexual behavior. Some cultures and religions oppose the use of masturbation or even label it as sinful. This can lead to guilt or shame about the behavior
Some experts suggest that masturbation can actually improve sexual health and relationships. By exploring your own body through masturbation, you can determine what is erotically pleasing to you and can share this with your partner. Some partners use mutual masturbation to discover techniques for a more satisfying sexual relationship and to add to their mutual intimacy​

http://www.webmd.com/sex-relationships/guide/masturbation-guide​

 

[FreddyBenson]

How so? What scientfic evidence? I've read alot of medical text and articles on masturbation, and all of them agree that masturbation is good and completely harmless. I personally don't believe that masturbation is sin, and it's certainly not harmful. Can you provide proof of your opinion?

I don't believe that I offered you my personal opinion on this subject. I merely offered an observation plus historical facts. Do you want proof of the historical facts? Or a break-down of my observation?