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You would still have no money since you had no point. Try to support claims with valid evidence.
You made no such points. So why even post this?Irrefutable points, details etc are sort of like kryptonite - people that need to avoid them... will. I notice you are avoiding the topic, page 1... the first two posts.... the details.
Was I not supposed to notice?
You made no such points. So why even post this?
What point do you think that you have made?
You appear to be fooling yourself.WoW! Those first two posts must be very "very" difficult for our friends to deal with.
I thought it would be easier than this for them.
You appear to be fooling yourself.
A. Everyone (both Creationist and atheist) agrees that there was a time on Earth where it is a barren planet - no LIFE of any kind on it.
B. Everyone (both Creationist and atheist) agrees that we exist on earth today with lots of diverse life forms.
Creationists claim that the Bible Creation account shows that an infinite Being (infinite in wisdom and power) created all life on earth - with all land animals appearing in a single evening-morning "day" like the days in the Legal Code found here Ex 20:9, 11 - at Sinai.
C. Everyone agrees that a man can turn a rabbit into dust in a single day. That is a given. (at something far below blast-furnace temp 3400 degree F)
So then clearly - an infinite being with infinite power and wisdom such as the Bible Creation account speaks of - can turn dust into a rabbit in a single day. As noted here #2
But rocks, dust, gas, and sunlight will never turn into a horse ... nor even be able to turn a bacteria into a horse ... in all of time. They don't "have that as a property of matter" and they don't have the ability to "acquire the skill over time"
The contrast noted in more detail here -- #12
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Atheists will argue that no such being "exists".
Creationists will argue that "no such talented rock exists"
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Hint: those who get stuck arguing that an infinitely wise and powerful being would most certainly not be capable of assembling biomolecules from dust - are not paying attention to these details or grasping the points being made here -- but of course we agree they can choose to ignore all the details that they wish.
I am trying to address those who understand the concepts above.
to simplify even more
the point is to take a starting point that evolutionists and creationists will both agree on... and then point to an end point that both evolutionists and creationists agree on (which I do here in this post).
And to keep in mind that significant level of the term "evolution" that Dawkins references as quoted in post #2 as we contrast the essential argument in the two contrasting solutions for getting from point A - to - B.
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Patience. Post number two next. There were no valid claims in post one.hmmm. "still" not addressing the first two posts I see.
Patience. Post number two next. There were no valid claims in post one.
A. Everyone (both Creationist and atheist) agrees that there was a time on Earth where it is a barren planet - no LIFE of any kind on it.
B. Everyone (both Creationist and atheist) agrees that we exist on earth today with lots of diverse life forms.
Creationists claim that the Bible Creation account shows that an infinite Being (infinite in wisdom and power) created all life on earth - with all land animals appearing in a single evening-morning "day" like the days in the Legal Code found here Ex 20:9, 11 - at Sinai.
C. Everyone agrees that a man can turn a rabbit into dust in a single day. That is a given. (at something far below blast-furnace temp 3400 degree F)
So then clearly - an infinite being with infinite power and wisdom such as the Bible Creation account speaks of - can turn dust into a rabbit in a single day. As noted here #2
But rocks, dust, gas, and sunlight will never turn into a horse ... nor even be able to turn a bacteria into a horse ... in all of time. They don't "have that as a property of matter" and they don't have the ability to "acquire the skill over time"
The contrast noted in more detail here -- #12
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Atheists will argue that no such being "exists".
Creationists will argue that "no such talented rock exists"
=====================
Hint: those who get stuck arguing that an infinitely wise and powerful being would most certainly not be capable of assembling biomolecules from dust - are not paying attention to these details or grasping the points being made here -- but of course we agree they can choose to ignore all the details that they wish.
I am trying to address those who understand the concepts above.
to simplify even more
the point is to take a starting point that evolutionists and creationists will both agree on... and then point to an end point that both evolutionists and creationists agree on (which I do here in this post).
And to keep in mind that significant level of the term "evolution" that Dawkins references as quoted in post #2 as we contrast the essential argument in the two contrasting solutions for getting from point A - to - B.
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Some will say that one group has faith in the ability of the infinite Being...
And Creationist will say that there are others who have a kind of blind faith in the "very talented rock" scenario.
But the difference is that humans DO see dust turned into rabbit in a day - every day.
And we DON'T see even one talented rock do that - ever!
(Infinite Creator makes matter transforming living "machines" where plant turns dirt into leaf "every day" and rabbit turns leaf into "more rabbit" every day).
Yep we see that every day and it argues that the infinite creator with sufficient power and wisdom could do the entire thing in a day with resulting in the compete rabbit in a single step. (i.e. the nature of "infinite")
Clearly creationists have the informed-faith-with-evidence in the example above where every day - we "see" the dust-to-rabbit transformation in the living systems God created.
Blind faith is the "talented rock" version-
===== BTW -- as for Creationist embracing the Bible doctrine on Origins ---
Finding out that legal code is not something that the Bible presents as fable or fiction is left as an exercise for the reader. A lot of serious Bible students found that out a long time ago.
Even atheists figured it out - as world class professors of Hebrew and OT studies point out for the genesis account. (much less trying to inject fiction as a form of Bible "legal code")
Professor James Barr, Regius Professor of Hebrew at the University of Oxford, has written:
‘Probably, so far as I know, there is no professor of Hebrew or Old Testament at any world-class university who does not believe that the writer(s) of Genesis 1–11 intended to convey to their readers the ideas that:
(a) creation took place in a series of six days which were the same as the days of 24 hours we now experience
(b) the figures contained in the Genesis genealogies provided by simple addition a chronology from the beginning of the world up to later stages in the biblical story
(c) Noah’s flood was understood to be world-wide and extinguish all human and animal life except for those in the ark.
Or, to put it negatively, the apologetic arguments which suppose the "days" of creation to be long eras of time, the figures of years not to be chronological, and the flood to be a merely local Mesopotamian flood, are not taken seriously by any such professors, as far as I know.’
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I do follow the details. Once again you are projecting. Can you debate properly without using inflammatory language? Use proper terminology. For science find valid sources that do not require their followers to avoid the scientific method."ignoring the detail" not as compelling as you may first have imagined.
follow the details.
Once again, there were no "details". Only nonsense. Try again."ignoring the detail" not as compelling as you may first have imagined.
follow the details.
Patience. Post number two next. There were no valid claims in post one.
A. Everyone (both Creationist and atheist) agrees that there was a time on Earth where it is a barren planet - no LIFE of any kind on it.
B. Everyone (both Creationist and atheist) agrees that we exist on earth today with lots of diverse life forms.
Creationists claim that the Bible Creation account shows that an infinite Being (infinite in wisdom and power) created all life on earth - with all land animals appearing in a single evening-morning "day" like the days in the Legal Code found here Ex 20:9, 11 - at Sinai.
C. Everyone agrees that a man can turn a rabbit into dust in a single day. That is a given. (at something far below blast-furnace temp 3400 degree F)
So then clearly - an infinite being with infinite power and wisdom such as the Bible Creation account speaks of - can turn dust into a rabbit in a single day. As noted here #2
But rocks, dust, gas, and sunlight will never turn into a horse ... nor even be able to turn a bacteria into a horse ... in all of time. They don't "have that as a property of matter" and they don't have the ability to "acquire the skill over time"
The contrast noted in more detail here -- #12
=====================
Atheists will argue that no such being "exists".
Creationists will argue that "no such talented rock exists"
=====================
Hint: those who get stuck arguing that an infinitely wise and powerful being would most certainly not be capable of assembling biomolecules from dust - are not paying attention to these details or grasping the points being made here -- but of course we agree they can choose to ignore all the details that they wish.
I am trying to address those who understand the concepts above.
to simplify even more
the point is to take a starting point that evolutionists and creationists will both agree on... and then point to an end point that both evolutionists and creationists agree on (which I do here in this post).
And to keep in mind that significant level of the term "evolution" that Dawkins references as quoted in post #2 as we contrast the essential argument in the two contrasting solutions for getting from point A - to - B.
.
Once again, there were no "details". Only nonsense. Try again.
I need to repeat myself. .
A. Everyone (both Creationist and atheist) agrees that there was a time on Earth where it is a barren planet - no LIFE of any kind on it.
B. Everyone (both Creationist and atheist) agrees that we exist on earth today with lots of diverse life forms.
Creationists claim that the Bible Creation account shows that an infinite Being (infinite in wisdom and power) created all life on earth - with all land animals appearing in a single evening-morning "day" like the days in the Legal Code found here Ex 20:9, 11 - at Sinai.
C. Everyone agrees that a man can turn a rabbit into dust in a single day. That is a given. (at something far below blast-furnace temp 3400 degree F)
So then clearly - an infinite being with infinite power and wisdom such as the Bible Creation account speaks of - can turn dust into a rabbit in a single day. As noted here #2
But rocks, dust, gas, and sunlight will never turn into a horse ... nor even be able to turn a bacteria into a horse ... in all of time.
They don't "have that as a property of matter" and they don't have the ability to "acquire the skill over time"
Yes, creationists are rather ignorant when it comes to the sciences since blind faith is not ... <obligatory rant deleted here>.
Can you debate properly without using inflammatory language? ....
Back to your same old song. There were no "details". You only made bogus claims."ignoring the detail" not as compelling as you may first have imagined.
follow the details.
I see you repeating yourself a lot - as I noted earlier. But that is not a substantive way to address the details in the first two posts of this thread.
If you are happy not responding to them fine... I am not blaming you for not having an answer.
What "details"? I could not see any. Nor as there any inflammatory language. Only facts. I know that those are uncomfortable facts. And if I was wrong guess what it would take to demonstrate that. It would take evidence not rhetoric. So far your posts have been long on rhetoric and short on evidence.You are responding to your own post or mine?
I am simply asking that you respond to the details in the first two posts rather than using your inflammatory language.
BobRyan said: ↑
A. Everyone (both Creationist and atheist) agrees that there was a time on Earth where it is a barren planet - no LIFE of any kind on it.
B. Everyone (both Creationist and atheist) agrees that we exist on earth today with lots of diverse life forms.
Sure.
BobRyan said: ↑
Creationists claim that the Bible Creation account shows that an infinite Being (infinite in wisdom and power) created all life on earth - with all land animals appearing in a single evening-morning "day" like the days in the Legal Code found here Ex 20:9, 11 - at Sinai.
Yes, creationists claim the Bible shows that.
BobRyan said: ↑
C. Everyone agrees that a man can turn a rabbit into dust in a single day. That is a given. (at something far below blast-furnace temp 3400 degree F)
Sure.
C. Everyone agrees that a man can turn a rabbit into dust in a single day. That is a given. (at something far below blast-furnace temp 3400 degree F)
So then clearly - an infinite being with infinite power and wisdom such as the Bible Creation account speaks of - can turn dust into a rabbit in a single day. As noted here #2
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This does not follow from the above.
This also does not follow from the above.
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