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Common Grace - Christian Doctrine or Heresy?

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heymikey80

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"You have heard that it was said, 'You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' 44But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. 46 For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? 47And if you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? 48 You therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect. Mt 5:43-48
 
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I agree with Mikey's passage as being a very good one in defense of common grace...

"You have heard that it was said, 'You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? And if you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? You therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
(Mat 5:43-48)
 
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I just thought I would post a definition for clarification:

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grace \ˈgrās\ n​
[ME, fr. AF, fr. L gratia favor, charm, thanks, fr. gratus pleasing, grateful; akin to Skt gṛṇāti he praises] 12c​
1 a : unmerited divine assistance given humans for their regeneration or sanctification​
b : a virtue coming from God​
c : a state of sanctification enjoyed through divine grace​

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a : approval, favor 〈stayed in his good graces〉​
b archaic : mercy, pardon​
c : a special favor : privilege 〈each in his place, by right, not grace, shall rule his heritage —Rudyard Kipling〉
d : disposition to or an act or instance of kindness, courtesy, or clemency​
e : a temporary exemption : reprieve​

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a : a charming or attractive trait or characteristic​
b : a pleasing appearance or effect : charm 〈all the grace of youth —John Buchan〉​
c : ease and suppleness of movement or bearing​

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— used as a title of address or reference for a duke, a duchess, or an archbishop​

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: a short prayer at a meal asking a blessing or giving thanks​

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pl cap : three sister goddesses in Greek mythology who are the givers of charm and beauty​

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: a musical trill, turn, or appoggiatura​

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a : sense of propriety or right 〈had the grace not to run for elective office —Calvin Trillin〉​
b : the quality or state of being considerate or thoughtful syn see mercy​

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2grace vt​
graced; grac•ing 1585​

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: to confer dignity or honor on​

2
: adorn, embellish 〈graveled walks graced with statues —J. A. Michener〉​

Inc Merriam-Webster, Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary., Eleventh ed. (Springfield, Mass.: Merriam-Webster, Inc., 2003).
 
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1com•mon \ˈkä-mən\ adj​
[ME commun, fr. AF, fr. L communis — more at mean] 13c​
1 a : of or relating to a community at large : public 〈work for the common good〉​
b : known to the community 〈common nuisances〉

2 a : belonging to or shared by two or more individuals or things or by all members of a group 〈a common friend〉 〈buried in a common grave〉​
b : belonging equally to two or more mathematical entities 〈triangles with a common base〉​
c : having two or more branches 〈common carotid artery〉

3 a : occurring or appearing frequently : familiar 〈a common sight〉​
b : of the best known or most frequently seen kind — used esp. of plants and animals 〈the common housefly〉​
c : vernacular 2 〈common names〉

4 a : widespread, general 〈common knowledge〉
b : characterized by a lack of privilege or special status 〈common people〉​
c : just satisfying accustomed criteria : elementary 〈common decency〉

5 a : falling below ordinary standards : second-rate​
b : lacking refinement : coarse

6 : denoting nominal relations by a single linguistic form that in a more highly inflected language might be denoted by two or more different forms 〈common gender〉 〈common case〉

7 : of, relating to, or being common stock — com•mon•ly adv — com•mon•ness \-mən-nəs\ n​
syn common, ordinary, plain, familiar, popular, vulgar mean generally met with and not in any way special, strange, or unusual. common implies usual everyday quality or frequency of occurrence 〈a common error〉 〈lacked common honesty〉 and may additionally suggest inferiority or coarseness 〈common manners〉. ordinary stresses conformance in quality or kind with the regular order of things 〈an ordinary pleasant summer day〉 〈a very ordinary sort of man〉. plain is likely to suggest homely simplicity 〈plain hard-working people〉. familiar stresses the fact of being generally known and easily recognized 〈a familiar melody〉. popular applies to what is accepted by or prevalent among people in general sometimes in contrast to upper classes or special groups 〈a writer of popular romances〉. vulgar, otherwise similar to popular, is likely to carry derogatory connotations (as of inferiority or coarseness) 〈souvenirs designed to appeal to the vulgar taste〉.​
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2common n​
14c​
1 pl : the common people

2 pl but sing in constr : a dining hall

3 pl but sing or pl in constr often cap
a : the political group or estate comprising the commoners​
b : the parliamentary representatives of the commoners​
c : house of commons

4 : the legal right of taking a profit in another’s land in common with the owner or others

5 : a piece of land subject to common use: as​
a : undivided land used esp. for pasture​
b : a public open area in a municipality

6 a : a religious service suitable for any of various festivals​
b : ordinary 2

7 : common stock —in common : shared together 〈has a lot in common with his neighbors〉​

Inc Merriam-Webster, Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary., Eleventh ed. (Springfield, Mass.: Merriam-Webster, Inc., 2003).
 
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Doesn't it depend on what you define grace as? For example, is it gracious to give something unmerited, if you know that gift will be used to justify their destruction?

I've struggled with this for awhile, and I believe CG is heresy. As for CG's proof-text, Matthew 5:43-48, I'd ask: "Why should we and God love the reprobate?" and "What is the purpose of giving gifts to the reprobate?".

I believe Paul gives us these answers in Romans 12:20 "Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head."
 
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Doesn't it depend on what you define grace as? For example, is it gracious to give something unmerited, if you know that gift will be used to justify their destruction?

I've struggled with this for awhile, and I believe CG is heresy. As for CG's proof-text, Matthew 5:43-48, I'd ask: "Why should we and God love the reprobate?" and "What is the purpose of giving gifts to the reprobate?".

I believe Paul gives us these answers in Romans 12:20 "Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head."

I would say that living on borrowed time would count as Common Grace. The shear delay of wrath and justice is a demonstration that God demonstrates a common love to all of creation while redeeming only a remnant.

31 And God saw everything that he had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day.
The Holy Bible : English Standard Version. (Wheaton: Standard Bible Society, 2001). Ge 1:31.​




Everything God made was good. Man was made in the image of God and has a special relationship with Him.

17 And to Adam he said,
“Because you have listened to the voice of your wife​
and have eaten of the tree​
of which I commanded you,​
‘You shall not eat of it,’​
cursed is the ground because of you;​
in pain you shall eat of it all the days of your life;​
18 thorns and thistles it shall bring forth for you;​
and you shall eat the plants of the field.​
19 By the sweat of your face​
you shall eat bread,​
till you return to the ground,​
for out of it you were taken;​
for you are dust,​
and to dust you shall return.”​
The Holy Bible : English Standard Version. (Wheaton: Standard Bible Society, 2001). Ge 3:17-19.
God clearly demonstrated Grace to the entire human race by not wiping the slate clean and starting over again.

Again God demonstrates that he has a general love for his creation...
10 And the Lord said, “What have you done? The voice of your brother’s blood is crying to me from the ground. 11 And now you are cursed from the ground, which has opened its mouth to receive your brother’s blood from your hand. 12 When you work the ground, it shall no longer yield to you its strength. You shall be a fugitive and a wanderer on the earth.” 13 Cain said to the Lord, “My punishment is greater than I can bear. 14 Behold, you have driven me today away from the ground, and from your face I shall be hidden. I shall be a fugitive and a wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me.” 15 Then the Lord said to him, “Not so! If anyone kills Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold.” And the Lord put a mark on Cain, lest any who found him should attack him. 16 Then Cain went away from the presence of the Lord and settled in the land of Nod, east of Eden. The Holy Bible : English Standard Version. (Wheaton: Standard Bible Society, 2001). Ge 4:10-16.
God could have smited Cain where he stood, but he cursed the ground, and furthermore God promised Cain that he would be safe from the wrath of his brothers and marked him so that others would know that killing this man rendered a curse to them.

Then there is Egypt and Joseph.
Again there are nations where there is or was a Christian Majority and the reprobate have been blessed with riches and knowledge from the Christian Culture they lived in.

If a potter makes a crap pot, his love for the clay remains unchanged, only the purpose for which the clay will be used. Same with a potter who sculpts a beautiful vase, the potter still loves his creation.
 
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Joshua, I would say living on borrowed time and learning the Gospel but rejecting it are examples of heaped coals. An example of the latter is in Luke 12:47-48: "And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not [himself], neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many [stripes]. But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few [stripes]. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more."
Why are the created reprobates good to God? "To make known the riches of His glory upon vessels of mercy". God's promise to Cain isn't mercy, its punishment. He's forcing Cain to live a horrible life instead of dying quickly. And we all know why God raised up Pharaoh: "I raised you up, to demonstrate my power in you".
 
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Joshua, I would say living on borrowed time and learning the Gospel but rejecting it are examples of heaped coals.

Grace has more applications than just addressing the status of the Elect. Common Grace accomplishes the purposes of God, for example, God's blessing of the Pagan Egyptians not only benefited the people but it empowered the Pharaoh to become the richest person in the land and the most powerful. They enjoyed the blessings of a Sovereign God without warranting any kindness from Him. The did nothing to earn a full belly during a famine and even threw the blessing in God's face by continuing in their Paganism.

An example of the latter is in Luke 12:47-48: "And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not [himself], neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many [stripes]. But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few [stripes]. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more."

The thing about parables is that they build on each other. The focus of this set of parables is talking about the fruit of Faith and false teachers.

Luke 12:42-48. said:
42And the Lord said, “Who then is the faithful and wise manager, whom his master will set over his household, to give them their portion of food at the proper time? 43 Blessed is that servant whom his master will find so doing when he comes. 44 Truly, I say to you, he will set him over all his possessions. 45 But if that servant says to himself, ‘My master is delayed in coming,’ and begins to beat the male and female servants, and to eat and drink and get drunk, 46 the master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he does not know, and will cut him in pieces and put him with the unfaithful. 47 And that servant who knew his master’s will but did not get ready or act according to his will, will receive a severe beating. 48 But the one who did not know, and did what deserved a beating, will receive a light beating. Everyone to whom much was given, of him much will be required, and from him to whom they entrusted much, they will demand the more.
The Holy Bible : English Standard Version. (Wheaton: Standard Bible Society, 2001).




This is addressing those False Teachers who having Spiritual Food withhold it from the body of Christ and abuse what portion they are given. Yes it is true that the reprobate have no hope of salvation and will be doomed to an eternity of God's Wrath, the fact that he created them shows an amount of love given to all He creates because they all play a roll in God's sovereign plan.

Why are the created reprobates good to God? "To make known the riches of His glory upon vessels of mercy". God's promise to Cain isn't mercy, its punishment. He's forcing Cain to live a horrible life instead of dying quickly. And we all know why God raised up Pharaoh: "I raised you up, to demonstrate my power in you".

As an image bearer, all of humanity being sons of Noah and members of the Covenant family, have a general love from God. Not all are elect, but all are members of the Covenant promises made to Noah and his family.
 
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Grace has more applications than just addressing the status of the Elect.

Well, I'd have to disagree. I cannot see how a full belly is gracious when God is going to use it to destroy you. That's why I stressed in my first sentence that we have to define grace.

Anyway Joshua, I don't want to debate you on this, its not worth it.
 
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Well, I'd have to disagree. I cannot see how a full belly is gracious when God is going to use it to destroy you. That's why I stressed in my first sentence that we have to define grace.

Anyway Joshua, I don't want to debate you on this, its not worth it.

Martin Luther said:
Peace if possible; Truth at all cost!

;)

I accept the ceasefire agreement... :D

Perhaps we can address the issue another time...
 
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Doesn't it depend on what you define grace as? For example, is it gracious to give something unmerited, if you know that gift will be used to justify their destruction?

I've struggled with this for awhile, and I believe CG is heresy. As for CG's proof-text, Matthew 5:43-48, I'd ask: "Why should we and God love the reprobate?" and "What is the purpose of giving gifts to the reprobate?".

I believe Paul gives us these answers in Romans 12:20 "Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head."

First off, words mean something...we can't just choose how we define them. As such, grace does mean umerited favor.

Secondly, i think the definition of heresy should be clear...it is doctrine that goes against orthodox teaching. I can't see how we can consider Common Grace to be something that goes against the orthodox teaching of the Church. Throughout the ages Common Grace has been accepted as an orthodox teaching.

In Rom 12, Paul is commending Christians to not seek to repay evil with evil...he's not at all speaking of Christians loving their enemies.

Therefore it's a different topic than the one that Christ teaches in Mat 5, which is clearly about loving our enemy. Paul tells us to leave room for God's vengeance.

The context of Matthew 5 is clearly...
That we are to love our enemies
That God is gracious to the just and the unjust

Any other interpretation that would have God's ends be to the hurt of the unjust does too much violence to the text.
 
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NO on common grace. The seeming good that God does for the reprobate is not for their good but for the good of the elect. He uses the reprobate to do good to His people. He makes it to rain on the just and the unjust in order for the unjust to help feed the just. All that God does in this world is for the glory of His name and the good of His people. As far as loving our enemies we are told to love our enemies but we are never told to love God's enemies.
 
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