Colossians 2:16 does away with the sabbaths, not the Sabbath.

[maco]

Colossians 2:16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths.

In order to understand which sabbath Paul was referring to all we need to do is look at the context of the verse.

Colossians 2:13-17 And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it. So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.

Notice the context in which Paul is speaking is the forgiveness of trespasses, which are sins. When a sin is forgiven the penalty is canceled. All throughout the Old Testament God used special ceremonial feast days, sabbaths and ordinances to teach us how He would deal with sin through the life, death and resurrection of His Son.

Hebrews 9:7-10 But into the second part the high priest went alone once a year, not without blood, which he offered for himself and for the people’s sins committed in ignorance; the Holy Spirit indicating this, that the way into the Holiest of All was not yet made manifest while the first tabernacle was still standing. It was symbolic for the present time in which both gifts and sacrifices are offered which cannot make him who performed the service perfect in regard to the conscience— concerned only with foods and drinks, various washings, and fleshly ordinances imposed until the time of reformation.

Since the Son has accomplished His mission, in fulling the shadows, there is no need for the shadows.

A shadow points forward to something in the future to give us insight and help us understand, whereas, the seventh day Sabbath points backwards as a memorial to remember.

The seventh day of creation was not part of the ceremonial system of God dealing with sin. As a matter of fact, the ceremonial system was set up because people where trespassing against the seventh day by forgetting to remember it.

The seventh day was created as a blessed day before sin was in the world so it's not part of the system used by God in dealing with sin. God even makes a distinction between the shadows and His Sabbath Day.

Leviticus 23 The Lord said to Moses, “Give the following instructions to the people of Israel. These are the Lord’s appointed festivals, which you are to proclaim as official days for holy assembly. “You have six days each week for your ordinary work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath day of complete rest, an official day for holy assembly. It is the Lord’s Sabbath day, and it must be observed wherever you live. “In addition to the Sabbath[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif], these are the Lord’s appointed festivals, the official days for holy assembly that are to be celebrated at their proper times each year.[/FONT]

[/FONT]Even if you believe the we are no longer under a list of Ten Commandments you cannot deny these two facts. One, marriage was created as part of creation and two, the seventh day was blessed and called holy as part of creation. Both of which need no law to be seen as right and good to remember and honor.

 

[David Conklin]

Not exactly. The days that are mentioned could be dropped completely without affecting the basic meaning of the verse. The ascetics who were doing the judging could have cared less about the days in particular. For more details see "An In-Depth Look at the Significant Words and Grammatical Structure of Colossians 2:16-17" @ A Study on Col. 2:16-17

 

[maco]

Not exactly. The days that are mentioned could be dropped completely without affecting the basic meaning of the verse. The ascetics who were doing the judging could have cared less about the days in particular. For more details see "An In-Depth Look at the Significant Words and Grammatical Structure of Colossians 2:16-17" @ A Study on Col. 2:16-17

Thanks for the in-depth study. It compliments my post to a deeper level...

 

[stinsonmarri]

maco:

I would like to ask you some questions to ask you about the word Sabbath?

So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths. Colossians 2:16

Before the questions I am also providing you some other version of Colossians 2:16 and one other Scriptures in several versions.

So let no one make rules about what you eat or drink or about holy days or the New Moon Festival or the Sabbath. (GNB)

Let no one therefore judge you in eating or in drinking, or in respect of a festival or a new moon or Sabbaths – (The Scriptures 1998+)

Lev 23:2: (I used the Sacred Names)

Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them: The Appointed Seasons of YAHWEH, which ye shall proclaim to be Holy Convocations, even these are MY Apointed Seasons. (JPS)

Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the Feasts of YAHWEH, which ye shall proclaim to be Holy Convocations, even these are MY Feasts. (KJV)

Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, The Set Feasts of YAHWEH, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are MY Set Feasts. (RV)

"Speak to the children of Yisrael, and say to them, ‘The Appointed Times of YAHWEH, which you are to proclaim as set-apart gatherings, MY Appointed Times , are these: (The Scriptures 1998+)

Questions:

In Colossians were are the Holy Days and what are the Sabbaths?
Does Paul have to change what YAHWEH says they are HIS?
If Paul have power over YAHWEH then explain Galatians 1:8-13
Are the Set Appointed Times Holy?
Are the Set Times like the Sabbath found in the first two chapters of Genesis?
What does Moed mean? What does the English word season mean?
What does shabbathon mean? What does Shabbath mean?
Are we to obey ELOHIM versus what man says or claim?

Thanks and have a blessed Sabbath,
Prayers goes out to the Boston community,
stinsonmarri

 

[David Conklin]

Thanks for the in-depth study. It compliments my post to a deeper level...

Thanks!

 

[maco]

maco:

I would like to ask you some questions to ask you about the word Sabbath?

So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths. Colossians 2:16

Before the questions I am also providing you some other version of Colossians 2:16 and one other Scriptures in several versions.

So let no one make rules about what you eat or drink or about holy days or the New Moon Festival or the Sabbath. (GNB)

Let no one therefore judge you in eating or in drinking, or in respect of a festival or a new moon or Sabbaths – (The Scriptures 1998+)

Lev 23:2: (I used the Sacred Names)

Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them: The Appointed Seasons of YAHWEH, which ye shall proclaim to be Holy Convocations, even these are MY Apointed Seasons. (JPS)

Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the Feasts of YAHWEH, which ye shall proclaim to be Holy Convocations, even these are MY Feasts. (KJV)

Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, The Set Feasts of YAHWEH, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are MY Set Feasts. (RV)

"Speak to the children of Yisrael, and say to them, ‘The Appointed Times of YAHWEH, which you are to proclaim as set-apart gatherings, MY Appointed Times , are these: (The Scriptures 1998+)

Questions:

In Colossians were are the Holy Days and what are the Sabbaths?
Does Paul have to change what YAHWEH says they are HIS?
If Paul have power over YAHWEH then explain Galatians 1:8-13
Are the Set Appointed Times Holy?
Are the Set Times like the Sabbath found in the first two chapters of Genesis?
What does Moed mean? What does the English word season mean?
What does shabbathon mean? What does Shabbath mean?
Are we to obey ELOHIM versus what man says or claim?

Thanks and have a blessed Sabbath,
Prayers goes out to the Boston community,
stinsonmarri

I don't know the answers to most your questions but I could probably find them if they really mattered. But they really don't matter because YAHWEH has revealed to us in prophecy how these shadows would cease in the keeping of them in a literal sense when His Son completed His mission, which He has come and has completed His work as the slain Lamb. Therefore let no one judge you in how you observe or practice them for they were only shadows but the reality is Jesus.

 

[stinsonmarri]

I don't know the answers to most your questions but I could probably find them if they really mattered. But they really don't matter because YAHWEH has revealed to us in prophecy how these shadows would cease in the keeping of them in a literal sense when His Son completed His mission, which He has come and has completed His work as the slain Lamb. Therefore let no one judge you in how you observe or practice them for they were only shadows but the reality is Jesus.

maco:

Do you accept the writings of EGW? Also show me in Scriptures where the Sabbath and the Holy Days were nailed to the SAVIOR'S tree! If you be so kind to explain what Dan 9:27 means when it said sacrifices and oblations would cease? Finally, what prophecy did YAHWEH used the exact words "shadow would cease?"

Blessings and happy Sabbath also prayers for the Boston community,
stinsonmarri

 

[maco]

maco:

Do you accept the writings of EGW? Also show me in Scriptures where the Sabbath and the Holy Days were nailed to the SAVIOR'S tree! If you be so kind to explain what Dan 9:27 means when it said sacrifices and oblations would cease? Finally, what prophecy did YAHWEH used the exact words "shadow would cease?"

Blessings and happy Sabbath also prayers for the Boston community,
stinsonmarri

Blessings to you...

I like to hear what EGW says even though I don't agree with some of the things she has said I even believe some of the things she has said were wrong. But I don't despise prophecy but I do test all things and hold on to that which is good.

I don't believe the 7th day Sabbath was nailed to the cross but I do believe the shadows were fulfilled through the ministry of Jesus. The shadows include the whole sacrificial system of the old covenant.

 

[AndrewK788]

Blessings to each of you!

If I could just put in my two cents, I do have some honest questions I would like your opinions on. I agree the 7th day Sabbath was never done away with. However, like Maco, I tend to view the feast days as ending at the cross...that is in the typical sense. Certainly, Calvary was the beginning of the antitypes, being the antitypical Passover, so it is good to have an understanding and awareness of what they represent. However, given the fact that Christ died on Calvary once and for all, it doesn't seem appropriate for the feast days (which if one reads Lev. 23, these do include burnt offerings and sacrifices) to be kept, at least not as they were spelled out in the OT. Doing so would be ignoring the sacrifice of Christ.

With that said, I do believe the feast days hold certain importance in Adventism. After all, our dating of October 22, 1844 was solidly based upon the day of atonement. But how are we as Christians intended to observe them today, if at all?

 

[stinsonmarri]

Blessings to each of you!

If I could just put in my two cents, I do have some honest questions I would like your opinions on. I agree the 7th day Sabbath was never done away with. However, like Maco, I tend to view the feast days as ending at the cross...that is in the typical sense. Certainly, Calvary was the beginning of the antitypes, being the antitypical Passover, so it is good to have an understanding and awareness of what they represent. However, given the fact that Christ died on Calvary once and for all, it doesn't seem appropriate for the feast days (which if one reads Lev. 23, these do include burnt offerings and sacrifices) to be kept, at least not as they were spelled out in the OT. Doing so would be ignoring the sacrifice of Christ.
With that said, I do believe the feast days hold certain importance in Adventism. After all, our dating of October 22, 1844 was solidly based upon the day of atonement. But how are we as Christians intended to observe them today, if at all?

First of all I am glad for your two cents. The Holy Appointed Set Times are so misunderstood. Most want to think they were only the Jews. First these days were before the world was even made. Gen 1:14 The days have to with gardening but with human souls. The sacrifices were included when man sin. The Sabbath and these days are Statutes Laws dealing with blessing base on your fruit you sow which is simple. Job gives the truth to the matter you just have understand some important things.
This is so important and so over looked because people take the translators of the Bible words for face value and many are not. EGW explain that word were change base on their traditional beliefs and there were many after the Reformation. Here's the big one Satan and his angels were not kick out to this earth! Wow you say! Well let's think about it. How could he and them being sinners kick down to a perfect unsinful world? Now remember Satan could on tempt man at a tree called both good and evil. So pray tell where are all of the 1/3 of innumerable angels at? The Bible says they left their first estate and was chained into outer darkness which tell me that is the bottomless pit or as we say outer space. These beings were kick out into some inhabitable place. They do not need oxygen or a firmament. Why tell this is simple when the sons of ELOHIM came to present themselves Satan disguise himself but YAHWEH JR. stop him at the gate. He can never ever return to Heaven but he tried too. Now the sons of ELOHIM are other created beings made before the fall of Satan. The earth was made after his fall and Adam and Eve was aware of this as well. Adam also presented himself before the FATHER in Heaven. These created beings all came on the Holy Appointed Set Times with their report to present themselves before HIM. These Holy Days were done to keep everything in order.
Notice the Scriptures states that you are not do laborious work or what we call go to our jobs. We are to celebrates these Holy Days as an Holy Assembly until the SAVIOUR comes. The passover was never a day it was a meal. Because the Jews mess this up those who observe these days think they should keep the passover. This ritual was nailed to HIS tree as were all of the sacrifices and oblations. Sacrifices is not a day but a ritual done every day according to the Bible including on the Sabbath. Man think they can change ELOHIM Holy Set Times. That is what the Papacy started but when ELOHIM show us that HIS SON enter the MOST HOLY PLACE on Oct 22, 1884, HE was showing that these HOLY DAYS are not nailed to the SAVIOR tree. These Holy Days are shadow of things to come through YAHSHUA. Pentecost is the Latter Rain that will be pour out on the exact day on the five wise virgins to finish the gospel during the Time of Trouble. This day always falls on a Sunday it is not a Sabbath but we should assemble to worship. Unleavened Bread the first day just before midnight in our homes or church we should humbly assemble to take YAHSHUA'S Supper, first washing of our feet. This week is to pray to take sin out of lives and to receive a miniature baptismal every year by washing our feet! Not like we do it today for show and those not baptized taking it even children. The 15th day we should assemble to worship and study. The Blowing of the Trumpet is to prepare of for the Time of Trouble and the wrath of both the LAMB and the FATHER. Also the Three Woes that will follow THEIR Wrath! Day of Atonement to pray that our names are not blotted out of the Book of Life. Fasting, solemn occasion this is our sabbath. It is to be kept HOLY like ELOHIM'S Sabbath only with sorrow. ELOHIM Sabbath is a day of celebration and not resting wrong word. Week of Harvesting is the day when the great multitude will come in during the Time of Trouble. We should prepare how to live in a country setting. Better yet we need to move to the country. We come together to camp out without the luxury of life because they will be gone. This is not about hiding but learning how to make do with less. All these Holy Days here on earth means to cease from going to your job and coming together to worship, study and pray for the Time is at hand!

Blessings and on the Boston families,
stinsonmarri

 

[maco]

Blessings to each of you!

If I could just put in my two cents, I do have some honest questions I would like your opinions on. I agree the 7th day Sabbath was never done away with. However, like Maco, I tend to view the feast days as ending at the cross...that is in the typical sense. Certainly, Calvary was the beginning of the antitypes, being the antitypical Passover, so it is good to have an understanding and awareness of what they represent. However, given the fact that Christ died on Calvary once and for all, it doesn't seem appropriate for the feast days (which if one reads Lev. 23, these do include burnt offerings and sacrifices) to be kept, at least not as they were spelled out in the OT. Doing so would be ignoring the sacrifice of Christ.

With that said, I do believe the feast days hold certain importance in Adventism. After all, our dating of October 22, 1844 was solidly based upon the day of atonement. But how are we as Christians intended to observe them today, if at all?

Amen...

God understands the importance of what the ceremonial shadows represent because they have lessons built within them to help us better understand the ministry of Jesus. But to study them and learn about them is different than literally keeping them. The Spirit, speaking through Paul, gives freedom to keep them or not and we are not to judge in how they are kept or even if they are kept because in reality, they are still only shadows of which Jesus fulfilled.

 

[stinsonmarri]

Blessings to you...

I like to hear what EGW says even though I don't agree with some of the things she has said I even believe some of the things she has said were wrong. But I don't despise prophecy but I do test all things and hold on to that which is good.

I don't believe the 7th day Sabbath was nailed to the cross but I do believe the shadows were fulfilled through the ministry of Jesus. The shadows include the whole sacrificial system of the old covenant.

maco:

EGW was a true servant of the MOST HIGH but she was not a prophetess, she was a messenger like Paul. If SDA would see that she was called under Acts 2:17-18 like Hiram Edison and others. What she was shown in straight from the Bible but we needed a refresher course and she was the one chosen to provide it. She was to lead us back to the Bible. She also said that she was not a prophetess and everything she attempted to provide historically will have error. It did because of the time she lived in and who she relied on for historical matters. She also brought Methodist beliefs into the church as others brought many of their old traditions in as well. However when was shown it the truth and nothing but the truth.

The ceremonial law was thus given to Moses, and by him written in a book. But the Law of Ten Commandments spoken from Sinai had been written by ELOHIM HIMSELF on the tables of stone, and was sacredly preserved in the Ark.
There are many who try to blend these two systems, using the texts that speak of the ceremonial law to prove that the moral law has been abolished; but this is a perversion of the Scriptures.The distinction between the two systems is broad and clear. The ceremonial system was made up of symbols pointing to YAHSHUA, to HIS sacrifice and HIS PRIESTHOOD. This ritual law, with its sacrifices and ordinances, was to be performed by the Hebrews until type met antitype in the death of YASHUA, the LAMB of ELOHIM that taketh away the sin of the world. Then all the sacrificial offerings were to cease. It is this law that YAHSHUA "took . . . out of the way, nailing it to His cross." Colossians 2:14. But concerning the Law of Ten Commandments the psalmist declares, "Forever, O YAHWEH, Thy Word is settled in Heaven." Psalm 119:89. PP 364, 365

While the SAVIOR'S death brought to an end the law of types and shadows, it did not in the least detract from the obligation of the Moral Law. On the contrary, the very fact that it was necessary for YAHSHUA to die in order to atone for the transgression of that Law, proves it to be immutable.
Those who claim that YAHSHUA came to abrogate the Law of ELOHIM and to do away with the Old Testament, speak of the Jewish age as one of darkness, and represent the religion of the Hebrews as consisting of mere forms and ceremonies. But this is an error. PP 365, 366

Again the people were reminded of the sacred obligation of the Sabbath. Yearly Feasts (Holy Appointed Set Time) were appointed, at which all the men of the nation were to assemble before YAHWEH, bringing to HIM their offerings of gratitude and the first fruits of HIS bounties. The object of all these regulations was stated: they proceeded from no exercise of mere arbitrary sovereignty; all were given for the good of Israel. YAHWEH said, "Ye shall be holy men unto ME"--worthy to be acknowledged by a HOLY ELOHIM.
These Laws were to be recorded by Moses, and carefully treasured as the foundation of the national Law, and, with the ten precepts which they were given to illustrate, the condition of the fulfillment of ELOHIM'S promises to Israel. PP p. 311

In consequence of continual transgression, the Moral Law was repeated in awful grandeur from Sinai. YAHSHUA gave to Moses Religious Precepts which were to govern everyday life. These Statutes were explicitly given to guard the ten Commandments. They were not shadowy types to pass away with the death of YAHSHUA. They were to be binding upon men in every age as long as time should last. These Commands were enforced by the power of the Moral Law, and they clearly and definitely explained that Law. Ibid, April 15, 1875

You are correct that the sacrificial system was nailed to HIS tree. And this is what Daniel said:

And HE shall confirm the Covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week HE shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. Dan 9:27

Now maco a sacrifice is a act of killing and burning animals every single day for twenty-four hours in each day including the Sabbath. Only on the Sabbath and the Holy Appointed Set Times were more animals killed and burned. The Colossian Text is so misunderstood. Look these people were Greek that became converted but the Jews wanted them to keep the Mosaic law which Paul call handwritten ordinances or laws. They were by Moses and placed on the side of the Ark of the Covenant. Not only did Israel have to obey them but all who were circumcised known as strangers who came into the land of Israel.

And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the passover to YAHWEH, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof. One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you. Ex 12:48, 49

YAHWEH is no respect of person and all must understand this. These Holy Assembly Days are set to come and worship HIM and to prepare to win souls, the soon Wrath of the LAMB and the FATHER, the three woes, the beast, the harlot, the Welcome Table in Heaven, the outpouring of the HOLY SPIRIT on the exact time, taking sin out of our lives, a yearly spiritual renewal of baptismal, those who names will be kept in the Book of Life, understanding the battle of Armageddon, understanding how to grow and reap a harvest souls and so much more. These Holy Day are YAHWEH and I tell what belongs to HIM I advise all you better not mess with them. The Jews did and it cause them to become blind to HIS SON birth and placing on a tree to die! All because they would not keep what HE said was HOLY! The are not the original Hebrews that control Israel today. Noah prophesied about it thousands of yearsago. The one you see are Japheth seed and not Shem. I know this is going open up a can of worm. I think you all should read that "Japheth shall dwell in the tent of Shem!" Gen 9:27; Rev 11:2 Let me make this clear Shem children are still there but they called Sephardic. You want to know why-they are color and not white! Yipes!

Blessings and prayers for the Boston families,
stinsonmarri

 

[David Conklin]

> I do believe the shadows were fulfilled through the ministry of Jesus. The shadows include the whole sacrificial system of the old covenant.

The ceremonial sabbaths and new moon were being kept by the believers at Colossae without any condemnation from Paul for doing so. Some (the spring festivals) were fulfilled by Jesus in His 1st coming. The fall festivals will be fulfilled at the 2nd coming (" a shadow of things to come").

 

[stinsonmarri]

> I do believe the shadows were fulfilled through the ministry of Jesus. The shadows include the whole sacrificial system of the old covenant.

The ceremonial sabbaths and new moon were being kept by the believers at Colossae without any condemnation from Paul for doing so. Some (the spring festivals) were fulfilled by Jesus in His 1st coming. The fall festivals will be fulfilled at the 2nd coming (" a shadow of things to come").

David show me in the Bible where it says ceremonial sabbath? You state that you have this Biblical software, so please show me in the Hebrew language that the word ceremony sabbath comes up. I have said time and time again that "shabbathon" does not mean Sabbath it means special occasion or holy day. Strong like all of the rest of the Indo-Europeans translators concluded it to be the Sabbath and it is not! You should also know that the word "is" (in italic was not written in the original Text), was place before the "body of the MESSIAH" which as EGW clearly states about words being changed by Bible scholars. These interpretations has cause nothing but confusion. However, there is no excuse today because all can get translated software that will provide the truth. Daniel said sacrifices and oblations will cease. You show me where anyone said the Holy Appointed Set Times will cease? Also you are attempting make YAHWEH out to say something false! HE clearly said that the papacy would try and attempt to change these Holy Appointed Set Times. The word "times" even in your software say the pagan word "feast days." So all you who choose to believe the Papacy go right a head but it is only an attempt!

You are the champion of EGW don't even take what she says yourself. She states that these Statues were not shadowy types that was nail to HIS tree but binding today. Over and over it proves what we want to believe even if it pressing right in your face or on your Bible software.

Happy Sabbath,
stinsonmarri

 

[maco]

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[Crossbearer007]

Colossians 2 16 most definitely talks about the weekly sabbath. The sabbath is not for christians! It was only a shadow!

 

[maco]

Colossians 2 16 most definitely talks about the weekly sabbath. The sabbath is not for christians! It was only a shadow!

The words in Col 2 is sabbaths meaning many. The sabbaths under the ceremonial system were instituted as a result of sin the seventh day of creation was before sin and is not part of the ceremonial shadows.

 

[stinsonmarri]

Wow! All you folks keep talking about ceremonial sabbaths. Where are they in the Bible? Do any of you know what the word ceremony means?

Ceremony: a formal act or series of acts prescribed by ritual, protocol, or convention <the marriage ceremony>; a routine action performed with elaborate pomp; an example: There will be a ceremony honoring the town's veterans next week. Merriam-Webster Dictionary

Ceremony (n.) Look up ceremony at Dictionary.comlate 14c., cerymonye, from Old French ceremonie and directly from Medieval Latin ceremonia, from Latin caerimonia "holiness, sacredness; awe; reverent rite, sacred ceremony," an obscure word, possibly of Etruscan origin, or a reference to the ancient rites performed by the Etruscan pontiffs at Caere, near Rome. Introduced in English by Wyclif. Etymological Dictionary

This word is not anywhere in the Bible. You all are making up something that does not make any sense! When you get married which most have a ceremony or a wedding which is an act.

Act: The process of doing or performing something, A formal written record of proceedings or transactions. TheFreeDictionary

Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to HIS stake or post; (Greek word stauros-see Strong Dictionary on the true definition of this word. Again I do not know where the word cross comes from because that is not what this word means) Col 2:14

Paul was simply saying as the word act means blotting out the written records or proceedings or transaction that were handwritten by Moses not by ELOHIM. These things were against mankind and nail to HIS SON'S tree

Let see Daniel says that these rituals known as sacrifices and oblations were to cease or stop and they did.

Sacrifice: the offering of animal, plant, or human life or of some material possession to a deity, as in propitiation or homage. Oblation:The act of offering something, such as worship or thanks, to a deity. TheFreeDictionary

Nothing at all says or uses the word known as day.

A day is a unit of time. In common usage, it is an interval equal to 24 hours. Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Now I read that word time in the Bible:

And he shall speak great words against the MOST HIGH, and shall wear out the saints of the MOST HIGH, and think to change times and laws: ...Dan 7:25

Yep thinking you can try to change the word time to be a ceremony or handwritten act but can't. I asked Castaway, Reddog, David, Maco and others to show it to me in the Bible. I get a answer only from Maco that he cant answer it because it is not important. Well if it isn't important then why are we all discussing it? If you bring up a point you should be able to give an answer to justify the merits of the information. I have had others to down right say evil accusations against me but never provide the answers to the questions asked. David provide that he had this great Bible software but have you notice he will not give any answers to a simple questions. Words and statements that he used making claim that these words are Bible base. Paul never said that these days were nail to the SAVIOR'S tree. What Paul did say was simple first blotting out these handwritten laws of Moses that were against them. YAHSHUA openly put off the powers of Satan and showed who he really was-a liar! So Colossians don't let these traditional Jews attempt to judge you when you now take the bread and wine of YAHSHUA'S supper, or you respecting the Holy Days, the New Moon or the first of the month day to come to worship (the New moons are not Holy days but a set time (day) to worship each month like Wed. night prayer meetings that are man made up time and not ELOHIM'S), or of the Sabbaths.

Bread and wine-YAHSHUA'S supper,
Holy Days - Feast of Unleavened Bread (Only the first and the seventh is Holy to assemble and not got to work), Day of Pentecost (always a Sunday Holy Assembly), Blowing of the Trumpet (Only New Moon that falls in the Seventh month of each year Bible time it is a Holy Assembly-not to go to work to come and worship), Day of Atonement (man's sabbath-fast, praying name not to be blotted out of the Book of Life-kept just like ELOHIM'S Holy Sabbath still a Holy Assembly no work is to be done, Investigate Judgment),
Week of Ingathering or Harvest ( First and the eight is a Holy Assembly preparing to gather in the great multitude of souls.),
New Moon- these days are not Holy but require to come that evening for service instead of Wed. night. Still go to your job it is only a worship service each beginning of the month that is all!
The Sabbaths or Sabbath days are specifically weekly Sabbath for ever simple. The is an article to mean something specific.

Now folks I have broken this time clearly and simply for all ages to understand. You can attempt to try and change ELOHIM time but it will not work. Time is getting closer for HIS SON to gather the elect. All can know and understand today thinks to the internet there is no excuse. Stop providing these discussion without knowing for sure the facts. You can try to make ELOHIM out of a racist claiming HE gave the Sabbath and these other Holy Appointed Set Times for the Jews is totally false. The Jews were to be peculiar as a nation of priest to bring others to HIS Holy Mountain where the Temple was to worship and obey. They didn't and they are still suffering the consequences of their lies and sin. Japheth has taken over their land, their culture as Noah predicted! You can make up all the stories you want but the fact is you cannot prove it according to the Bible and that is why you cannot give an answer to my questions!

Happy Sabbath,
stinsonmarri

 

[AndrewK788]

stinsonmarri,

I'm still doing an in-depth personal study of these topics myself so what I'm asking is not a loaded question because I'm not totally decided on the issue myself. I asked you this question earlier in another thread and received no answer, so I'm asking it again here and would very much like an answer.

A lot of what you say makes sense. The primary question I have is when you're relating the feasts of Leviticus 23 as still being binding upon Christians, my only question is this--how are Christians to keep them if they are still binding? Since part of the "keeping" of these feasts in Leviticus involves burnt offerings, which was fulfilled in Christ dying on Calvary, how can one really keep these feasts without also blaspheming what Christ Himself has already fulfilled? Since we understand at Christ's death on Calvary that the typical service ended and the sanctuary as referenced in the Bible transitioned to that of the heavenly rather than the earthly, how is one to address these feasts as a Christian?

These are honest questions that I simply would like an honest answer for. So far I have not received one. Hopefully you can help me with the answers because, like I said, I'm still in the midst of studying these topics out for myself.

God bless,

Andrew

 

[stinsonmarri]

stinsonmarri,

I'm still doing an in-depth personal study of these topics myself so what I'm asking is not a loaded question because I'm not totally decided on the issue myself. I asked you this question earlier in another thread and received no answer, so I'm asking it again here and would very much like an answer.

A lot of what you say makes sense. The primary question I have is when you're relating the feasts of Leviticus 23 as still being binding upon Christians, my only question is this--how are Christians to keep them if they are still binding? Since part of the "keeping" of these feasts in Leviticus involves burnt offerings, which was fulfilled in Christ dying on Calvary, how can one really keep these feasts without also blaspheming what Christ Himself has already fulfilled? Since we understand at Christ's death on Calvary that the typical service ended and the sanctuary as referenced in the Bible transitioned to that of the heavenly rather than the earthly, how is one to address these feasts as a Christian?

These are honest questions that I simply would like an honest answer for. So far I have not received one. Hopefully you can help me with the answers because, like I said, I'm still in the midst of studying these topics out for myself.

God bless,

Andrew

Andrew I answered your questions then and in the notes I just wrote. Listen forget about the sacrifices for now and understand. These days are Holy Set Time first to assemble for a special time of worship. The Holy days except the Day of Atonement you are to take a day off your job-that is laborious work. These days signify things to come through the blood of YAHSHUA. All of these Holy Days have to do with crop growing not of food but of souls. If you notice YAHSHUA always uses gardening mostly talking about sowers, seeds, planting etc.

Unleavened Bread there are two Holy days the First and the Seventh. You do not go to work you come and worship and study. Unleavened has to do with not having sin:

Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump? Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even the MESSIAH our Passover is sacrificed for us: Therefore let us keep the feast (Holy Appointed Set Time), not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. 1Co 5:6

The first thing on your road to salvation is to get sin out of your life. The passover supper was taken point to the death of our Savior in our stead.

He replace at the exact same day and time HIS New Supper. It is to be taken at night before midnight. The foot washing is a minimal baptism of cleaning out sin. It is a renewal of your promise in your first baptismal of dying to self and sin. These two Holy days are to remind during the beginning of the real year spring time to take time out to reflect on our character. Now we have become the living sacrifice. These Holy days are also time to study and understand and prepare to reap the harvest of souls just before the SAVIOR comes. But you must become changed first!

Next as you continue to become closer to the SAVIOUR you become changed and you will stop sinning here on earth. Then you are those wise virgins that have extra oil for a purpose. The Day of Pentecost always falls on a Sunday. You count seven Sabbaths of ELOHIM and the next day is the day of Pentecost. That extra oil is the HOLY SPIRIT that empowers you as it did the Disciple. There were no sacrifices in the upper room but their bodies. They finally understood what they were called to do:

And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith ELOHIM, I will pour out of my SPIRIT upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my SPIRIT; and they shall prophesy: Act 2:1, 17, 18

These Scriptures make it clear that day of Pentecost was to be empower with the HOLY SPIRIT. Keeping this day and again a Holy Assembly to worship waiting to be empower with the HOLY SPIRIT to complete the final work of winning souls. Daniel called them wise teachers, YAHSHUA called wise virgins. John provides that their will 144,000 who will finish the work. YAHWEH never chose a large number to do HIS bidding. Remember Gideon! YAHSHUA said many will be called but only a few will be chosen. First you working to remove your sins with YAHSHUA'S help and now to receive the power of the HOLY SPIRIT to finish ELOHIM'S work. This is what the Jew were suppose to do and also the Canaanites neither continue to obey!

Next is a Trumpet of warning the only New Moon or the first day of the actual month that ELOHIM gave to be kept Holy to assemble and not go to your job. This day is to show that every time the appearance of the HOLY ONES trumpet sounded. When they came down on the Mount to speak the Commandments. Trumpet are even used by man to call attention to a special event. It is a special Holy day because New Moons are not normally Holy days. It to is call to worship because the Holy Appointed Set Time is very, very serious. You must be prepared:

Be not deceived; ELOHIM is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. Gal 6:7

You are now entering the Throne of the MOST HIGH HIS SON takes a Book from HIS Hand. It is the Book of Life. Investigated Judgment has begun. It started on Oct 22, 1844 the Day of Atonement and the REAL TRUE HIGH PRIEST our SAVIOR has moved into the MOST HOLY PLACE. HE now is standing before the JUDGE pleading only for those who have removed sin out of their lives. They have champion for YASHUA throughout the ages. Some were so worthy they were permitted to gain entrance to Heaven. Some were selected to the jury in Heaven while others are witnessing the yearly TRIBUINAL COURT in Heaven. The twenty four elders selected from those risen with YAHSHUA now sits as juries but they and all who have died before 1844 must be sealed. It starts with the only two who live when the earth was pure on down to fifth seal. Now those who are in the sixth seal must sealed for life or for doom and damnation. It the only day know as man's sabbath. It is not a happy day. It is a day of repenting, confessing, praying, pleading that our names are not blotted out. It a day that we do not go to work or do any work like ELOHIM'S Sabbath. It is also day for the world of ELOHIM'S and the LAMB'S Wrath that will take place. Many events deals with this Holy Appointed Set Time. Time of Trouble, probation closes after this time, Armageddon, the beast, Satan's angels release, the harlot, the false prophet which is USA all comes under this day of events.

And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the Face of HIM that sitteth on the Throne, and from the Wrath of the LAMB: For the great day of HIS wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand? Rev 6:17

And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound! Rev 8:13

Finally just before the SAVIOR comes those who have change their lives and receive the HOLY SPIRIT through the worst time on earth will brings in souls. This Holy Appointed Set Time known as the Week of Ingathering or Harvest falls on two Holy Days. The first and the eighth. The reason the eight day instead of the seventh has do with

And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season. And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: ...Rev 20:3, 4

And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, YAHSHUA cometh with ten thousands of HIS saints, To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him. Jude 1:14, 15

The wise Virgins who are teachers will finish the gospel and bring in the great multitude.

After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the Throne, and before the LAMB, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; . . .And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Therefore are they before the throne of ELOHIM, and serve HIM day and night in HIS Temple: and HE that sitteth on the Throne shall dwell among them. They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. Rev 7:9, 14-16

These days are Holy and they are not like the Sabbath except the one called our sabbath. We are to refrain from going to work. Holiday means Holy day where people do not go to work. This is where this originally comes from. What all do not understand is everyone on earth have appointed set times and they either call them holidays or holy days. Men went away from the original but never forgot them. One institution has attempted to change them to keep theirs: Christmas, New Year, Valentine day, Easter (a pagan goddess name placed in the Holy Bible awful), Whitsunday, Halloween. All over the world Christmas is a day every religion has a name for their false deity so that they can keep this day. There is much more to these days and I have mention on other forum. I hope that this will help you in your search for truth!

Happy Sabbath,
stinsonmarri