Coincidence to the Atheist?

[Stormy]

The Bible says not to worry because God takes care of the needs of his children.

Atheist will tell us that life just happened by chance and there is no God. They believe that Science alone takes care of our needs. But have you ever thought of this Earth itself and not the life upon it. How good the home that God provided for his creatures. It is complete in every way. Nothing needs to be catered in from anywhere else in the universe. Lets explore one point of this topic.

Return back in time and start at the beginning.

Primitive man needed fire. It was necessary for so many aspects of his life. I do not know how man learned of fire or how he created it. Maybe God had a hand in that. But I do know that the wood was upon our Earth.

Coincidence to the Atheist? But I know… God did it.

Now what if we only had wood as a source of fire? Imagine today if wood had remained the only fuel to support our life. Would the forests be gone? Would we have survived?

Don’t worry… we were not backed into that corner. For God had stored supplies of coal within our home. Coal, a fuel that burns slower and longer than wood. The forests could remain. The oxygen and protection that they gave the Earth and its creatures was saved.

Coincidence to the Atheist? But I know… God did it.

Now what if coal and wood were our only sources of fuel? Coal does not burn clean. What would have happened to our skies? Would the coal have been depleted? Is there anyway we could have become the people we are today? Surely our modern day cars and transportation would never have been a reality.

Don’t worry. We were not backed into that corner either. For God had hidden oil, for our future needs, deep within our earthly home.

Coincidence again to the Atheist? But I know… God did it.

Yet another fuel that God wanted us to have… Electricity. So he watched and waited for the kite to fly into the sky and then… Bamm!!! He knocked Ben on his a$$!!

Coincidence to the Atheist?? No way!

God did it!!!!

As long as I live I will never understand how the Atheist cannot logically see all the truth that abounds. They believe in illogical conceived notions of coincidence and chance while ignoring all the proof of Intelligent design. Man was not only thought out by God, but his future needs were also taken into consideration during creation. God is the God of the living…yesterday, today, and all of our tomorrows.

But it is not only the Atheist that I do not understand. Often times I have heard Christians express unhappiness because God could see the future. I have never understood this line of thought. How much more comforting it is to me to know… God knows all, and has planned for all his children’s needs.

For we are a people that continues to evolve, and now we know… that our largest capacity for fuel dwells within the tiny little atom. But will our hearts keep up with our minds?

Or will this last fuel serve as a means to our end?

May God bless us all.

 

[seebs]

Stormy, everything you've described is scientific progress which requires only that the underlying physical qualities of the universe support such forms of energy; deists and atheists can easily find such sources of power.

I don't think it's fair to use scientific progress as proof that God, not science, holds answers... It seems sort of confused to me.

As it happens, I do find the world rather convenient, but I recognize that it's not logically incoherent to attribute these scientific discoveries to the accomplishments of men.

 

[chickenman]

if you want to see some fantastic coincidences stormy, see the thread entitled "unintelligent design" and have a look at that link

 

[Morat]

  Um, Stormy...burning wood, burning coal and oil, and using electricity (electricity isn't fuel..it's a form of energy. Fuel can make electricity) isn't anything more than chemistry.

   So, um...chemistry exists, therefore God? Organics combust, and electrons flow, therefore God?

   I'm not seeing the connection here.

 

[Raging Atheist]

Originally posted by Stormy
As long as I live I will never understand how the Atheist cannot logically see all the truth that abounds. They believe in illogical conceived notions of coincidence and chance while ignoring all the proof of Intelligent design.

hahaha... all I can do is laugh...

 

 

[Stormy]

deists and atheists can easily find such sources of power

That is true. It does not take a Christian to find what God has left for us. I was not saying that it did. God loves and provides for all of us. You make a mistake when you pit us against each other.

I don't think it's fair to use scientific progress as proof that God, not science, holds answers... It seems sort of confused to me.

It would be foolish to believe that man could have progressed to the level that he has unless God had provided what would be needed.

It was from the result of Intelligent design.... God...that are Earth and those that dwell upon it have reached the level that we have. God formed our Earth with all that would be needed for our future... maybe billions of years in the past.

 

[chickenman]

gee I can't wait for god's solution to global warming. I wonder how far we will have to dig though?

 

[Morat]

  Oh, that's simple. Either radioactives (Which God placed within the Earth so we'd know how old it was) or Hydrogen..because Fusion, baby!

  The argument is kind of pointless. We, as a species, find stuff to use to do stuff. If you believe in God, then God made everything. Thus, when we use "stuff" for something usefull, God obviously put it there for that purpose.

   Kinda presupposes God. The simple explanation is "Stuff exists. Being bright people, we use stuff to do stuff. Just like racoons, beavers, and termites do. Only more so". You can add "And God made it for that purpose" if you want...

 

 

[Trinai]

Originally posted by Morat
Kinda presupposes God. The simple explanation is "Stuff exists. Being bright people, we use stuff to do stuff. Just like racoons, beavers, and termites do. Only more so". You can add "And God made it for that purpose" if you want...

When looking at past events, people always presuppose somthing. Christians see God's work, Muslims see Allah's work, atheists see something else, etc.

 

[Morat]

  Really? What do we see? I'm curious.

 

 

[Stormy]

Christians see God's work, Muslims see Allah's work, atheists see something else, etc.

On this forum I will not be addressing religion... But instead the truth of Intelligent design. We can talk on other forums about the designer himself.
But tell me what is this "something else" that you speak of?

"Stuff exists"

That explains alot. Surely you can tell me from a more scientific view point. Why does our Earth contain coal, oil...etc? I say because life was planned... it was not started or devolped by chance. What do you say?

 

[npetreley]

Originally posted by Morat
  Um, Stormy...burning wood, burning coal and oil, and using electricity (electricity isn't fuel..it's a form of energy. Fuel can make electricity) isn't anything more than chemistry.

"Chemistry" is the word for our understanding of some of what exists and how certain things interact.

When you can create all those chemicals out of nothing, I'll be impressed.

 

[Raging Atheist]

Originally posted by npetreley


"Chemistry" is the word for our understanding of some of what exists and how certain things interact.

When you can create all those chemicals out of nothing, I'll be impressed.

I can't personally, but I wrote a book about a guy who can.  Sound good?

 

[seebs]

Originally posted by Stormy

That explains alot. Surely you can tell me from a more scientific view point. Why does our Earth contain coal, oil...etc? I say because life was planned... it was not started or devolped by chance. What do you say?

I say because that's what happens when you build a world using certain sets of physics. Not having seen enough of the others, I can't tell how likely or unlikely this one is. It may be that it is very hard for intelligent life to form on planets that haven't been reasonably hospitable to life for long enough to form some fossil fuels.

I can't show any intent from that.

 

[Morat]

That explains alot. <IMG alt="" src="http://www.christianforums.com/forums/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif" border=0> Surely you can tell me from a more scientific view point.

&nbsp; Sure. "Physics". Which explains chemistry. Which explains biochemistry. Which explains life.

&nbsp; Seriously, your argument is "objects exist that have certain properties. They're so useful, God must have made them for us".

&nbsp; One wonders if beavers feel God created trees for their sole use, or Angel Fish marveling at the existance of Sea Anenomes.

&nbsp;Why does our Earth contain coal, oil...etc?

&nbsp; Just a question: Do you know how coal and oil form?

&nbsp;I say because life was planned... it was not started or devolped by chance. What do you say?

&nbsp;&nbsp; I say: "Why do you say life was planned"?

 

[seebs]

I say they're so useful because God made us to be tool-users, personally.

 

[Trinai]

Originally posted by Morat
Really? What do we see? I'm curious.

No idea. All I know is that different people see the past from differing perspectives.

 

[Morat]

No idea. All I know is that different people see the past from differing perspectives.

&nbsp;&nbsp; You lumped atheists together in a monolithic group, as if we have something in common.

&nbsp;&nbsp; The only thing two atheists have in common is that they don't go to church or temple or whatnot. Lack of god-belief is it. If you meet an atheist, you know for sure that either he lacks belief, or disbelieves in (depending on the type) God. Other than that, you know nothing.

&nbsp;&nbsp; So, tell me, what exactly do atheists presuppose when looking at past events? I'd imagine we'd see the evidence. We don't have any particular biases.

&nbsp;&nbsp; Regardless, it's a moot point. Science works by peer-review to filter out presupposition, bias, and anything of that sort. When you've got atheistic, religious, conservative, liberal, and any other ideology, belief system, world-view or whatnot involved, you tend to cancel out bias and get left with what's really there.

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[Freodin]

A basic problem of "intelligent design": how do you ascertain that certain properties of items were wanted, and how do you establish the proposed usage.

You used wood as an example of "design". Wood burns, burning wood gives off energy. It was obviously "designed" for us to use as energy source.

Obviously? No.

The same wood that burns has also the property of being malleable, yet stable. It was obviously "designed" to be used as building material.

But both uses have problems. Wood doesn´t really burn very well - it has to be prepared and treated. And it does not burn clean.

It is also susceptible for decay, and it´s stability is limited. And - it burns.

So it is neither a good energy source, nor construction material.

If it was designed, it was a very "unintelligent design".

But on the other hand: wood is almost ideally suited to grow trees from. To grow from natural resources, by natural processes.

Perhaps it was not designed by God for humans to use, but for trees?

 

[GraftMeIn]

I think trees show very intelligent design.

Trees have many uses, people use them, as well as many things in nature. There many different types of trees, each contains a different type of wood. Some wood is harder than other types. Some wood rots more quickly than other types. some wood even becomes so hard after it's been cut, that once the wood is no longer considered "green" it is next to impossible to cut through.

Now why wood (oooops! I mean why would) sorry for the pun just couldn't help myself there.

Ok back to what I was talking about. Why so many different types of wood? Seems to me there's a reason for each.

Wood that rots easily provides food for the forest when it breaks back down into soil. Many insects feed on rotting wood, these same insects also provide food for birds.

Wood such as cedar doesn't rot very easy, and is also known to repel certain insects. This is considered good wood for builing.

Some types of wood do burn cleaner than others.

Would you like a little syrup for those pancakes? it comes from a tree.

the fruit we eat comes from trees.

Honey bees build nests in trees.

Birds build their nests in trees.

Beavers use a certain type of wood to build a dam with.

The list goes on......

There are many types of trees, each one serving it's own purpose. therefore it seems as if each one was specifially designed for a reason.