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The Sole Mediator between God and man is Jesus Christ.

Vatican II (Lumen Gentium): The Fathers of the Council brought up titles for Mary including: "Mediatrix" , "Benefactress" , "Helper" (never once Co-Redemptrix).

The Council stated that, (Blessed Mary's titles) "...neither takes away anything nor adds anything to the dignity and efficacy of Christ the one Mediator."

So, the Bishops of the Catholic Church stated that Jesus Christ was the One Mediator and specifically stated that no title given to Blessed Mary could take away the fact that Jesus is the One Mediator and that to hold the view or procalim Blessed Mary as a Co-Mediator takes away from the dignity that Lord Jesus Christ is the Sole Mediator.
 

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And no one does that...

And if it was so, still, why do you care?

If you have a "personal relationship with Christ" (something said alot by Protestants and Evangelicals, yet is not really in the Bible) then why do YOU care what other's do? Are you in the atheist forum argueing with atheists? Or in the Jewish forum trying to convince them to believe in Christ? Or in the Mulsim forum talking to them? Why does what other's view as Mary, and in your opinion is "wrong" (even though it is misconecption) why do you care so much?
 
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Yes i do talk to a lot of other people.

And i'd say you are denying the truth.

Redeemer -Co-Redeemer

Mediator -Mediatrix

sinless - sinless

Giver of all Graces - Giver of all Graces

Fountain of Life - Fountain of Life

Our Hope - Our Hope

Morning Star -Morning Star

Help - Help

Advocate - Advocate


and on and on.


And i care because i have a personal relationship with Christ.......how about you?
 
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Yes i do talk to a lot of other people.

And i'd say you are denying the truth.

Redeemer -Co-Redeemer

Mediator -Mediatrix

sinless - sinless

Giver of all Graces - Giver of all Graces

Fountain of Life - Fountain of Life

Our Hope - Our Hope

Morning Star -Morning Star

Help - Help

Advocate - Advocate


and on and on.


And i care because i have a personal relationship with Christ.......how about you?

Alot of these are catholic views, in which I have no say in, and I don't even want to bother argueing the EOC's views anymore. What I ask is..why do you care?

And if you have a personal relationshiop with Christ, why do you care? Also how do you know you do?Did He tell you? Does Scripture say we should have a personal relationship with Christ? Please show me where in Scripture it says what a personal relationship with Christ is..
 
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And no one does that...

And if it was so, still, why do you care?

If you have a "personal relationship with Christ" (something said alot by Protestants and Evangelicals, yet is not really in the Bible) then why do YOU care what other's do? Are you in the atheist forum argueing with atheists? Or in the Jewish forum trying to convince them to believe in Christ? Or in the Mulsim forum talking to them? Why does what other's view as Mary, and in your opinion is "wrong" (even though it is misconecption) why do you care so much?
I did not intend for this to become a slug fest between faiths- Personal savior does not appear in the Bible, but then again neither do the words Eastern Orthodox or Catholic.
 
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I did not intend for this to become a slug fest between faiths- Personal savior does not appear in the Bible, but then again neither do the words Eastern Orthodox or Catholic.


I know you didn't..

Just making a point that if the relationship is so "personal" why do people care what other people believe...hence if you care, it's not so personal. But that wasn't my original intent, my original intent was just asking why people care, and have to be so sarcastic as to what other's believe...

"Confess your faults to one another, and pray for one another"-doesn't sound to personal to me..

And as far as the words "Orthodox" or "Catholic" not being in the Bible, this is true...but then again neither one of us our sola scriptura our we? So people who claim sola scriptura, should either be it all the way...or they are hypocrites..
 
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Just how more intimate and personal of a relationship, can one have with Jesus ....than walking up the altar, and recieving His Body, Blood, Soul and Divinty...in the Eucharist?

Peace be with you...Pam


Alot of these are catholic views, in which I have no say in, and I don't even want to bother argueing the EOC's views anymore. What I ask is..why do you care?

And if you have a personal relationshiop with Christ, why do you care? Also how do you know you do?Did He tell you? Does Scripture say we should have a personal relationship with Christ? Please show me where in Scripture it says what a personal relationship with Christ is..


You guys have heard of the Holy Spirit i presume?





Act 17:23 For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you.


Act 17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;


Act 17:25 Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;


Act 17:26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;


Act 17:27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:


Act 17:28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.







Gal 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,


Gal 4:5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.


Gal 4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.




1Pe 5:6 Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time:


1Pe 5:7 Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you.










Jhn 6:35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.


Jhn 6:36 But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not.


Jhn 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.







Jhn 7:37 ¶ In the last day, that great [day] of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.


Jhn 7:38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.


Jhn 7:39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet [given]; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)


Jhn 14:5 Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?


Jhn 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.


Jhn 14:7 ¶ If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.


Jhn 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.


Jhn 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou [then], Shew us the Father?


Jhn 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.


Jhn 14:11 Believe me that I [am] in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.


Jhn 14:12 ¶ Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater [works] than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.


Jhn 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.


Jhn 14:14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do [it].


Jhn 14:15 ¶ If ye love me, keep my commandments.


Jhn 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;


Jhn 14:17 [Even] the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.


Jhn 14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.


Jhn 14:19 ¶ Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.


Jhn 14:20 At that day ye shall know that I [am] in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.


Jhn 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.


Jhn 14:22 Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?


Jhn 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.


Jhn 14:24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.


Jhn 14:25 ¶ These things have I spoken unto you, being [yet] present with you.


Jhn 14:26 But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.


Jhn 14:27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.


Jhn 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come [again] unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.


Jhn 14:29 And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye might believe.









Rom 8:1 ¶ [There is] therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.


Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.


Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:


Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.


Rom 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.


Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded [is] death; but to be spiritually minded [is] life and peace.


Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind [is] enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.


Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.


Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.


Rom 8:10 And if Christ [be] in you, the body [is] dead because of sin; but the Spirit [is] life because of righteousness.


Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.


Rom 8:12 ¶ Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.


Rom 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.


Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.


Rom 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.


Rom 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:


Rom 8:17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with [him], that we may be also glorified together.


Rom 8:18 ¶ For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time [are] not worthy [to be compared] with the glory which shall be revealed in us.


Rom 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.


Rom 8:20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected [the same] in hope,


Rom 8:21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.


Rom 8:22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.


Rom 8:23 And not only [they], but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, [to wit], the redemption of our body.


Rom 8:24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?


Rom 8:25 But if we hope for that we see not, [then] do we with patience wait for [it].


Rom 8:26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.


Rom 8:27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what [is] the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to [the will of] God.


Rom 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to [his] purpose.


Rom 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate [to be] conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.


Rom 8:30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.


Rom 8:31 ¶ What shall we then say to these things? If God [be] for us, who [can be] against us?


Rom 8:32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?


Rom 8:33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? [It is] God that justifieth.


Rom 8:34 Who [is] he that condemneth? [It is] Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.


Rom 8:35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? [shall] tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?


Rom 8:36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.


Rom 8:37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.


Rom 8:38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,


Rom 8:39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.







Hbr 13:5 [Let your] conversation [be] without covetousness; [and be] content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.


Hbr 13:6 So that we may boldly say, The Lord [is] my helper, and I will not fear what man shall do unto me.



Hbr 4:14 ¶ Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast [our] profession.


Hbr 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as [we are, yet] without sin.


Hbr 4:16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.




Jhn 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:


Jhn 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any [man] pluck them out of my hand.


Jhn 10:29 My Father, which gave [them] me, is greater than all; and no [man] is able to pluck [them] out of my Father's hand.


Jhn 10:30 I and [my] Father are one.








Rev 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
 
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Just how more intimate and personal of a relationship, can one have with Jesus ....than walking up the altar, and recieving His Body, Blood, Soul and Divinty...in the Eucharist?

Peace be with you...Pam
Having Him live inside of you and revealing His truth in His word. Hearing the voice of the shepherd and following no other..
 
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I know you didn't..

Just making a point that if the relationship is so "personal" why do people care what other people believe...hence if you care, it's not so personal. But that wasn't my original intent, my original intent was just asking why people care, and have to be so sarcastic as to what other's believe...

"Confess your faults to one another, and pray for one another"-doesn't sound to personal to me..

And as far as the words "Orthodox" or "Catholic" not being in the Bible, this is true...but then again neither one of us our sola scriptura our we? So people who claim sola scriptura, should either be it all the way...or they are hypocrites..
Because the bible tell us that if we see a brother or sister in err to show them the truth..There is so much in Christ for anyone who will believe as His word is written.. He takes off the heavy yoke and puts on His easy yoke..Giving Gods glory to another is so wrong.. God is a Jeleous God and will share His glory with no one. Not even Mary for she was human. She is not divine.
 
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Having Him live inside of you and revealing His truth in His word. Hearing the voice of the shepherd and following no other..
Receiving the Eucharist IS literally receiving Him inside of us...much more personal than reading and hearing, IMHO.
 
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The Sole Mediator between God and man is Jesus Christ.

Vatican II (Lumen Gentium): The Fathers of the Council brought up titles for Mary including: "Mediatrix" , "Benefactress" , "Helper" (never once Co-Redemptrix).

The Council stated that, (Blessed Mary's titles) "...neither takes away anything nor adds anything to the dignity and efficacy of Christ the one Mediator."

So, the Bishops of the Catholic Church stated that Jesus Christ was the One Mediator and specifically stated that no title given to Blessed Mary could take away the fact that Jesus is the One Mediator and that to hold the view or procalim Blessed Mary as a Co-Mediator takes away from the dignity that Lord Jesus Christ is the Sole Mediator.
http://www.catholicculture.org/docs/doc_view.cfm?recnum=360

The Council Fathers of Vatican II state manifestly that their treatment of the Mother of Jesus does not constitute a "complete doctrine on Mary," for such was not their intention. The need for greater theological clarification and development in order to complete the doctrine on Mary is therefore acknowledged by Vatican II (cf. Lumen Gentium, n.54). The body of Marian dogma will remain incomplete until the Church presents a dogma directly defining the nature of Mary's role with the Redeemer in the work of our salvation, and her relationship to us as Mother of all Christians. The first four Marian Dogmas define the truths that identified Our Lady's personal gifts and prerogatives (Mother of God, Perpetual Virginity, Immaculate Conception, Glorious Assumption). We have yet to define the full truth about the Mother of the Redeemer in her relationship with us, the Church, and of her participation in the redemption at the service of the Church. In addition, this Marian Dogma will have great benefits for the Church, particularly with respect to each person's relationship with the Mother of the Redeemer. The definition will provide a critically needed dogmatic foundation for the influx of contemporary Marian devotion, that without a dogmatic basis runs the danger of the devotional extremes of either "false exaggeration" or "too summary an attitude" (cf. Lumen Gentium, n. 67). Authentic love of Mary in the order of devotion must be firmly founded upon the truth about Mary in the order of dogma. We also have today the very rich Marian teaching of the present Pontiff, Pope John Paul II, with particular attention given to Mary's coredemption and mediation. We have the teachings of the Second Vatican Council on Marian coredemption and mediation clearly manifested in Lumen Gentium, nn. 56-62. In addition, these same doctrinal truths are present in the rich tradition of the papal magisterium of the nineteenth and twentieth centuries. Added to this are the many distinguished voices from within the Church calling for the solemn definition, including over 500 bishops, 44 cardinals, and approximately 4.8 million petitions from the Catholic faithful of 157 countries in six continents of the world. As there is a great outpouring of grace following every dogma of the Church, the solemn proclamation of the Blessed Virgin Mary as Coredemptrix, Mediatrix of all Graces, and Advocate will also be an occasion of great graces for the Church and the world from she who is the Mother of all peoples. These titles, which are doctrinally established, should be proclaimed as a dogma for the greater glory and honor of God, for the increase reverence and honor due to his mother, and for the increase in our own disposition to receive grace from God.
 
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I smell I war a brewing, does not this always occur in ever interdenominational thread, especially this one? Sigh.....
Views on Mary are wide and encompass everything in between. If I am not mistaken I believe that there really has always been a disagreement on Mary, such as the asumption, Immaculate Conception, and so on and so forth. I fully respect the views, not necessarily agree, of Catholics
and Eastern Orthodox on this. I honestly am not going to get involved :)
 
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Receiving the Eucharist IS literally receiving Him inside of us...much more personal than reading and hearing, IMHO.
I am a temple of the Living God. I have Gods spirit alive in Me.. I am born again. I am a new creation in Christ. For Christ lives in His people not in a peace of bread and a cup of wine. This is the Mystery.. Yea I stand at the door and knock. If anyone here my voice and let Me in I will come in and sup with him and he with ME.. Jesus words .
 
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Receiving the Eucharist IS literally receiving Him inside of us...much more personal than reading and hearing, IMHO.

I find it hard to believe you were a blood-bought, baptised, Pentecostal.........do you disreguard the Spirit that easy?
 
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Well you totally disreguarded that IamAdopted was talking about the indwelling of the Spirit, which is how Jesus dwells in us, and compared your Communion with reading and hearing:


Originally Posted by StTherese
Receiving the Eucharist IS literally receiving Him inside of us...much more personal than reading and hearing, IMHO.


So the indwelling of the Spirit is not receiving Him inside of us?









Rom 8:1 ¶ [There is] therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.


Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.


Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:


Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.


Rom 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.


Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded [is] death; but to be spiritually minded [is] life and peace.


Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind [is] enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.


Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.


Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.


Rom 8:10 And if Christ [be] in you, the body [is] dead because of sin; but the Spirit [is] life because of righteousness.


Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.


Rom 8:12 ¶ Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.


Rom 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.


Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.


Rom 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.


Rom 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:


Rom 8:17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with [him], that we may be also glorified together.


Rom 8:18 ¶ For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time [are] not worthy [to be compared] with the glory which shall be revealed in us.


Rom 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.


Rom 8:20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected [the same] in hope,


Rom 8:21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.


Rom 8:22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.


Rom 8:23 And not only [they], but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, [to wit], the redemption of our body.


Rom 8:24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?


Rom 8:25 But if we hope for that we see not, [then] do we with patience wait for [it].


Rom 8:26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.


Rom 8:27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what [is] the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to [the will of] God.


Rom 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to [his] purpose.


Rom 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate [to be] conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.


Rom 8:30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.


Rom 8:31 ¶ What shall we then say to these things? If God [be] for us, who [can be] against us?


Rom 8:32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?


Rom 8:33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? [It is] God that justifieth.


Rom 8:34 Who [is] he that condemneth? [It is] Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.


Rom 8:35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? [shall] tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?


Rom 8:36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.


Rom 8:37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.


Rom 8:38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,


Rom 8:39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.







Jhn 7:37 ¶ In the last day, that great [day] of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.


Jhn 7:38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.


Jhn 7:39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet [given]; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)



So at what point in your Pentecostalism did you decide that the Holy Spirit indwelling was not what Jesus was talking about, but the RCC Exclusive Eucharist?
 
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