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<blockquote data-quote="eclipsenow" data-source="post: 58710288" data-attributes="member: 274355"><p><strong>A Gawron</strong></p><p></p><p></p><p>What's wrong with that? You're a Christian, right? Ever read "Give to Caesar what is due to Caesar" and especially Romans 13, where the <strong>authorities are God's servants to do us good?</strong> And that's Paul describing the ROMAN authorities. Today we have accountability systems through both our politics and science; we should be amazed and grateful that we live under modern democratic systems with modern science and medicine, and not stuck back under Roman authorities. Yet the bible says even <em>they</em> were God's servants for their good! Can ya dig it? </p><p></p><p>Now here's a more personal story. I'm not a scientist, and I'm definitely not a climatologist.</p><p></p><p>But I'll tell you one thing I've noticed. Only the Denialist websites seem to try to straw-man the peer-reviewed science, bluff with bluster, misinterpret and sometimes even outright lie.</p><p></p><p>For example, about 5 years ago I was a complete newcomer to this subject. Then I saw "The Great Global Warming Swindle" by Martin Durkin. It really threw me &#8212; as it has a lot of clever data and facts in it. I was on the brink of moral outrage, wondering how on earth the whole climate community could have lied to us so completely when these 'facts' were self-evidently against climate science!</p><p></p><p>The whole thing was itself a Swindle. Durkin used clever half truths and lies. He covered probably a dozen of the top Denialist myths, and covered them well. Any half informed Denialist can pull the wool over an uninformed member of the public. It's easy. Most of us, sadly, just don't read that much. So that's what Durkin did. He lied. When I finally read the peer-reviewed responses to Durkin's claims, especially the responses of Sir John Houghton &#8212; himself an active and keen Christian and former head of the IPCC &#8212; I was TRULY outraged at Durkin's audacious lies. It amazes me that someone can behave like that. Can say the things he did about the entire climate community.</p><p></p><p>Are you <em>proud</em> of being associated with him? Does intentionally lying about the actual claims of climate science sit well with your conscience when you pray? Or are you quoting things way outside your area of expertise in the vain and vague hope that they might be true, and might somehow disprove what every <em>National Academy of Science on the planet says is a fact!</em></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="eclipsenow, post: 58710288, member: 274355"] [B]A Gawron[/B] What's wrong with that? You're a Christian, right? Ever read "Give to Caesar what is due to Caesar" and especially Romans 13, where the [B]authorities are God's servants to do us good?[/B] And that's Paul describing the ROMAN authorities. Today we have accountability systems through both our politics and science; we should be amazed and grateful that we live under modern democratic systems with modern science and medicine, and not stuck back under Roman authorities. Yet the bible says even [I]they[/I] were God's servants for their good! Can ya dig it? Now here's a more personal story. I'm not a scientist, and I'm definitely not a climatologist. But I'll tell you one thing I've noticed. Only the Denialist websites seem to try to straw-man the peer-reviewed science, bluff with bluster, misinterpret and sometimes even outright lie. For example, about 5 years ago I was a complete newcomer to this subject. Then I saw "The Great Global Warming Swindle" by Martin Durkin. It really threw me — as it has a lot of clever data and facts in it. I was on the brink of moral outrage, wondering how on earth the whole climate community could have lied to us so completely when these 'facts' were self-evidently against climate science! The whole thing was itself a Swindle. Durkin used clever half truths and lies. He covered probably a dozen of the top Denialist myths, and covered them well. Any half informed Denialist can pull the wool over an uninformed member of the public. It's easy. Most of us, sadly, just don't read that much. So that's what Durkin did. He lied. When I finally read the peer-reviewed responses to Durkin's claims, especially the responses of Sir John Houghton — himself an active and keen Christian and former head of the IPCC — I was TRULY outraged at Durkin's audacious lies. It amazes me that someone can behave like that. Can say the things he did about the entire climate community. Are you [i]proud[/i] of being associated with him? Does intentionally lying about the actual claims of climate science sit well with your conscience when you pray? Or are you quoting things way outside your area of expertise in the vain and vague hope that they might be true, and might somehow disprove what every [I]National Academy of Science on the planet says is a fact![/I] [/QUOTE]
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