Circumcised Heart

[JM]

Were the OT saints born again? What is a circumcised heart?

 

[eph3Nine]

Were the OT saints born again? What is a circumcised heart?

Born again is a term used of Gods favored nation.

Exodus 4:22 And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:

THEY , as a nation must be born again.

Circumcision is another thing entirely. Then we must determine if we are the circumcision that is made with hands, or the one that is NOT.

 

[GLJCA]

Were the OT saints born again? What is a circumcised heart?

I will let the Word of God answer this one instead of giving you my opinion like others do.

Hebrews 11 shows us that the OT saints obtained favor with God according to their faith. Verse 2 says that by faith the elders obtained a good report and the Word tells us that the list of people in chapter 11:39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:
They did not receive the promise because the Messiah had not come yet. The perfect sacrifice had not been given. Therefore while they were approved by God or had obtained God's favor by their faith they could not be perfect without the perfect sacrifice. Once Christ came and the sacrifice was given their faith was made perfect and they were born again.

Look at Hebrews 11:13-15 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of [them], and embraced [them], and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country. And truly, if they had been mindful of that [country] from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned. But now they desire a better [country], that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

They looked forward in faith to that which God promised and according to this passage it wasn't a little bitty parcel of land in the Middle East.

GLJCA

 

[eph3Nine]

2 Timothy 2:25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; (what is the truth? That God has changed programs!)

2 Timothy 2:26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will. (God wants people to recover themselves OUT of this snare by believing Pauls information)

 

[GLJCA]

2 Timothy 2:25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; (what is the truth? That God has changed programs!)

2 Timothy 2:26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will. (God wants people to recover themselves OUT of this snare by believing Pauls information)

God has changed programs? You can't even call it salvation or gospel anymore, it is programs now.

2Ti 3:13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.

GLJCA

 

[rightlydividingtheword]

GLJCA said

They looked forward in faith to that which God promised and according to this passage it wasn't a little bitty parcel of land in the Middle East.

Let's look at the scriptures shall we?

The fathers (abraham, enoch, david) was never And I repeat never promised Heaven, they were promised the earhtly kingdom!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



This after Jesus was crucified!!!!



Acts 1:6-7

1:6
When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
1:7
And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.


Jesus never said, he wasn't going to restore the kingdom to Israel,just not then.

2 samuel 7:10
Moreover I will appoint a place for my people Israel, and will plant them, that they may dwell in a place of their own, and move no more; neither shall the children of wickedness afflict them any more, as beforetime,

That's a promise!!!


psalm 14:7
Oh that the salvation of Israel were come out of Zion! when the LORD bringeth back the captivity of his people, Jacob shall rejoice, and Israel shall be glad.

That's a promise!!!!

Isaiah 2:1-3

2:1
The word that Isaiah the son of Amoz saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem.
2:2
And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.
2:3
And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.

That's a promise!!!!!

Isaiah 9:7

9:7
Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.


Heaven was only promised to the body of christ,(pauline revelation).
Your saying your going to heaven and you don't have the slightest clue why!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Now that's a mystery in itself.
Millions of people claiming to go to heaven and don't know how this revelation came to be....
It's because of the mystery Jesus revealed to Paul.
Paul message is the only gospel that has a heavenly reward, not the twelve, they had an eartly reward.................................

 

[GLJCA]

GLJCA said


Let's look at the scriptures shall we?

The fathers (abraham, enoch, david) was never And I repeat never promised Heaven, they were promised the earhtly kingdom!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



This after Jesus was crucified!!!!

Apparently you did not read the scripture in my post very carefully.
Hebrews 11:13-15 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of [them], and embraced [them], and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country. And truly, if they had been mindful of that [country] from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned. But now they desire a better [country], that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.
The writer tells us that these OT saints looked for a better country one that is heavenly. They realized that God was not going to give them that little bitty parcel of land. He also tells us that God was not ashamed to call himself their God, which is a direct reference to Jer. 31:33.

Oh by the way did you know that the land promise was not just that little bitty parcel of land in the Middle East?
Rom 4:13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, [was] not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.

GLJCA

 

[eph3Nine]

rightly dividing said:

Heaven was only promised to the body of christ,(pauline revelation).
Your saying your going to heaven and you don't have the slightest clue why!

Now that's a mystery in itself.
Millions of people claiming to go to heaven and don't know how this revelation came to be....

It's because of the mystery Jesus revealed to Paul.
Paul message is the only gospel that has a heavenly reward, not the twelve, they had an eartly reward.................................

You are absolutely RIGHT! God expects us to USE our BRAINS to see that things that are different cannot be the same. There is but ONE gospel today, and its PAULS. Churchianity has made a scrambled egg gospel by mixing all the good news up in one big bowl...God says, KEEP IT SEPARATE...rightly divide the Word of TRUTH: note that He didnt tell us to rightly divide truth from error, but truth from truth. ALL the bible is true, but its NOT all true for US...most of it was given to the Nation Israel under a totally different economy. Theres was faith plus LAW...they signed UP for it.

Ours is GRACE ALONE thru faith alone. I'd say thats cause for keepin the two SEPARATE!

 

[GLJCA]

Acts 1:6-7

1:6
When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
1:7
And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

The fact that Jesus did not answer the question does not mean that the kingdom will be restored to Israel any more than it means that it won't. Therefore it we can't determine which it is from that scripture we have to look at others.
First we all know that the kingdom was taken from the Jews because they did not bear fruit.
Mat 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
According to John 15 what happens to branches that don't bear fruit? Right they are thrown into the fire.
Acts 28:30-31 And Paul dwelt two whole years in his own hired house, and received all that came in unto him, Preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.
My goodness is Paul preaching the Kingdom of God to the Gentiles? Why would he do that?
Rom 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
Paul even preached the kingdom of God to the Romans. He must have been confused or at least someone is.
Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told [you] in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Why would Paul be telling the Gentiles in Galatia about the kingdom of God?
Col 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated [us] into the kingdom of his dear Son:
Oh my he must have flipped his lid because now he is telling the Colossians that they are translated into the kingdom of Christ when they believe.
1Th 2:12 That ye would walk worthy of God, who hath called you unto his kingdom and glory.
Oh my how can he tell these Gentiles that they have been called to Christ's kingdom?
2Th 1:5 [Which is] a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:
Now this is getting funny. He is telling the Thessalonians that they are suffering for the kingdom of God. Why would they suffer for something of which they have no part?

I have limited my search to Paul's writings to show you that Paul preached the kingdom of God to the Gentiles. Now if the kingdom were only for the Jews then Paul is way out of line, but we know that the Word of God is inspired by God so then Paul could not be out of line, could he?

You see guys the Kingdom of God never left Covenant Israel or the remnant of God. It was taken away from the unbelieving nation of Israel, those who were cut out of the olive tree.

Since we were grafted into the olive tree, along with the OT remnant of God, we have been translated into the Kingdom of Christ. God's kingdom people have always been and always will be His remnant, the chosen people of God.

God has promised that He will graft all the Jews that come to Him in faith back into the olive tree, which is Covenant Israel, but no where does He ever say that the kingdom will be restored to Israel.

I believe that Jesus did not answer because at that time the disciples did not understand what had just happened. In one fell swoop the kingdom was taken away from the nation of Israel, they were judged and condemned. The wrath of God was forthcoming in AD70, where their temple and their city, and the lives of the unbelieving Jews would be destroyed.

GLJCA

 

[GLJCA]

Tell me, all of you who compare David's exile to that of Christ. Do you also believe that when Christ becomes King of His kingdom that He will be driven out of His kingdom by one of His children just as David was driven out of his kingdom by Absalom?

If you are going to use David's life to compare to Christ's then you have to use all of it, right or do you just pick and choose on that also?

GLJCA

 

[GLJCA]

Heaven was only promised to the body of christ,(pauline revelation).
Your saying your going to heaven and you don't have the slightest clue why!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Now that's a mystery in itself.
Millions of people claiming to go to heaven and don't know how this revelation came to be....
It's because of the mystery Jesus revealed to Paul.
Paul message is the only gospel that has a heavenly reward, not the twelve, they had an eartly reward.................................

Sure it was but you just haven't seen it because you probably have been convinced by Dispensationalism that it isn't there.
Dan 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame [and] everlasting contempt.
Jhn 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Mar 10:30 But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.
Jhn 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
In fact it was offered to them before it was offered to us. Remember this is still Old Testament times here. The New Testament or Covenant had not been established yet because Christ's blood had not been shed. So as you can plainly see they were offered eternal life

Your saying your going to heaven and you don't have the slightest clue why!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now why would you want to say something like that. That isn't nice. Why is it that Dispys get so beligerent in a discussion? If your doctrine is truth then why get upset? I have never seen someone confident in their doctrine get upset when confronted with questions.

I am going to Heaven because of the blood of my Saviour which was shed on the cross for my sins. It was the blood of the New Covenant which was applied to me when I believed in the Lord Jesus Christ as my Saviour. See, I do understand why I am going to heaven and it does not have anything to do with Paul but it was what Christ did for me that counts toward my salvation. All Paul did was to preached the gospel of Jesus Christ, the same gospel that Jesus said to preach in Luke 24:47And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. And Paul did just that.

Does the blood of the New Covenant wash away your sins, rightlydividingtheword?

GLJCA

 

[rightlydividingtheword]

GLJAC says

Oh my how can he tell these Gentiles that they have been called to Christ's kingdom?
2Th 1:5 [Which is] a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:
Now this is getting funny. He is telling the Thessalonians that they are suffering for the kingdom of God. Why would they suffer for something of which they have no part?

First of all the kingdom of god is not the same kingdom of heaven that described in the gospels.
For you to say the fathers are to inherit the heaven as a reward is making god a lie.

Please stop and read his word correctly.
Are you saying God is a lie?




Luke 24:44
And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me

,

"and in the prophets"

What is in the prophets concerning jesus?


Isaiah 2:2
And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.

ISAIAH 24:21-24
24:21
And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall punish the host of the high ones that are on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth.
24:22
And they shall be gathered together, as prisoners are gathered in the pit, and shall be shut up in the prison, and after many days shall they be visited.
24:23
Then the moon shall be confounded, and the sun ashamed, when the LORD of hosts shall reign in mount Zion, and in Jerusalem, and before his ancients gloriously. (could that be the fathers?????????????)


Isaiah 2:1-3

2:1
The word that Isaiah the son of Amoz saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem.
2:2
And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.
2:3
And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.




Isaiah 60:18-21
60:18
Violence shall no more be heard in thy land, wasting nor destruction within thy borders; but thou shalt call thy walls Salvation, and thy gates Praise.
60:19
The sun shall be no more thy light by day; neither for brightness shall the moon give light unto thee: but the LORD shall be unto thee an everlasting light, and thy God thy glory.
60:20
Thy sun shall no more go down; neither shall thy moon withdraw itself: for the LORD shall be thine everlasting light, and the days of thy mourning shall be ended.
60:21
Thy people also shall be all righteous: they shall inherit the land for ever, the branch of my planting, the work of my hands, that I may be glorified.
,
" that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me"



Is Isaiah a prophet? (yes)
When was this fulfilled?(not yet buddy)


I got tons of scripture in regards to Israels reward.
again heaven is not promised to the fathers or anyone in the previous despensation.

 

[GLJCA]

GLJCA said


Let's look at the scriptures shall we?

The fathers (abraham, enoch, david) was never And I repeat never promised Heaven, they were promised the earhtly kingdom!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



This after Jesus was crucified!!!!



Acts 1:6-7

1:6
When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
1:7
And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.


Jesus never said, he wasn't going to restore the kingdom to Israel,just not then.

2 samuel 7:10
Moreover I will appoint a place for my people Israel, and will plant them, that they may dwell in a place of their own, and move no more; neither shall the children of wickedness afflict them any more, as beforetime,

That's a promise!!!


psalm 14:7
Oh that the salvation of Israel were come out of Zion! when the LORD bringeth back the captivity of his people, Jacob shall rejoice, and Israel shall be glad.

That's a promise!!!!

Isaiah 2:1-3

2:1
The word that Isaiah the son of Amoz saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem.
2:2
And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.
2:3
And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.

That's a promise!!!!!

Isaiah 9:7

9:7
Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.


Heaven was only promised to the body of christ,(pauline revelation).
Your saying your going to heaven and you don't have the slightest clue why!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Now that's a mystery in itself.
Millions of people claiming to go to heaven and don't know how this revelation came to be....
It's because of the mystery Jesus revealed to Paul.
Paul message is the only gospel that has a heavenly reward, not the twelve, they had an eartly reward.................................

Rdtw, I have no problem with these promises that you have presented. The problem is with the timing of their fulfillment. Such as the one in 2Samuel was fulfilled in Soloman's time. I believe that most of those promises were fulfilled in that time. All of the others are fulfilled in the Church of Jesus Christ who is the Israel of God today.

You guys can't see that because you guys ignore what Paul taught in Romans 11 how that we as believing Gentiles are grafted into Covenant Israel. God put that in His Word for a reason. Paul explained how that we, as Gentiles, could be fellowheirs with the OT saints and no longer aliens to the covenants of promise. When we were grafted into the olive tree we became Israel as much as Isaac was. (Gal 4:28)

GLJCA

 

[eph3Nine]

Ya cant argue with a person who is blinded to truth. If you ignore all of Pauls words, which were given by the Risen Christ, and only focus on Peters words, given to the nation Israel, yer gonna be a really confused little puppy. Its like talking about brain surgery with a pizza man...are ya gonna get anywhere?


Nahhh......Let those who set themselves up in opposition to the truth, talk to themselves. Im here to be edified and to edify others with the words that are OUR marching orders today!

Yee haw

 

[eph3Nine]

Rightly dividing wrote:

heaven is not promised to the fathers or anyone in the previous despensation.

Thats RIGHT! But to those who are still ignorant of Mystery Truths, and who do NOT study and rightly divide, the lines are really fuzzy!

I cant believe how much more clear Gods Word IS since I learned how to properly READ it and understand it!

YOWZER!

 

[GLJCA]

Ya cant argue with a person who is blinded to truth. If you ignore all of Pauls words, which were given by the Risen Christ, and only focus on Peters words, given to the nation Israel, yer gonna be a really confused little puppy. Its like talking about brain surgery with a pizza man...are ya gonna get anywhere?


Nahhh......Let those who set themselves up in opposition to the truth, talk to themselves. Im here to be edified and to edify others with the words that are OUR marching orders today!

Yee haw

Excuse me but I was focusing on Jesus' words in Luke 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. Was Christ wrong also? I guess he didn't understand that there was supposed to be two programs, huh? Are you saying that poor Jesus was kept in the dark by His Father?

GLJCA

 

[eph3Nine]

to rightly dividing:

Dont you think that bible study is alot more interesting now that you KNOW how to study it the way God tells us to? Dont you wish everyone would follow His directives in 2 Tim 2:15, and save themselves the embarrassment of being an ASHAMED workman because they REFUSED to do as He said?

The Bible actually comes ALIVE when we realize that God wrote it to show us His HISTORY of dealing with mankind. He should KNOW best how to read it to get the maximum benefit out of it, wouldnt ya think? Im glad God is smarter that all of us, arent YOU? Wink

 

[GLJCA]

Rightly dividing wrote:

Thats RIGHT! But to those who are still ignorant of Mystery Truths, and who do NOT study and rightly divide, the lines are really fuzzy!

I cant believe how much more clear Gods Word IS since I learned how to properly READ it and understand it!

YOWZER!

Pro 16:18 Pride [goeth] before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.
Pro 18:12 Before destruction the heart of man is haughty, and before honour [is] humility.

GLJCA

 

[eph3Nine]

Lets get this thread back on track. To whom was the admonition given that they must be born again? Since we have already shown with scripture that Israel was Gods FIRSTBORN...and the words were spoken to a PHARISEE, which would make it ISRAELS program...then doesnt it make sense that it is to ISRAEL that the earthly Jesus said, YOU MUST BE BORN Again? (CHRIST MADE IT CLEAR THAT IN HIS EARTHLY MINISTRY HE CAME TO THE LOST SHEEP OF THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL...AND MADE no MENTION OF HIS WORDS BEING RELEVANT TO THE CHURCH WHICH IS HIS BODY, AS WE WERENT EVEN IN EXISTANCE YET.)


What say YOU?

 

[JMWHALEN]

Tell me, all of you who compare David's exile to that of Christ. Do you also believe that when Christ becomes King of His kingdom that He will be driven out of His kingdom by one of His children just as David was driven out of his kingdom by Absalom?

If you are going to use David's life to compare to Christ's then you have to use all of it, right or do you just pick and choose on that also?

GLJCA

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"If you are going to use David's life to compare to Christ's then you have to use all of it, right or do you just pick and choose on that also?"


Such brilliance! Have you any clue what "typology" is(type is a prophetic representation-one thing standing for another)? Of course, this is a rhetorical question. By your own self-refuting argument, one that "commits suicide", you have on record excluded all "typical persons" of the Lord Jesus Christ(and offices), excluded all types of the Lord Jesus Christ, since you argue, that if a type is to be acceptable, "If you are going to use David's life(or any type) to compare to Christ's then you have to use all of it. This, despite the scriptural testimony that God has chosen to center/focus all of his subjects around the person and work of the Lord Jesus Christ, and is telling us, through his use of numerous "types"(and symbols). that no "typical" character's life(symbol) in the OT can adequately encompassed the fullness of the Saviour's life, character, and attributes!

This demonstates further your "I have my doctrine, I'm sure I can prove it" mind set. The Lord Jesus Christ, if not explicity on every page of the Holy Bible, is there "in the backround."

Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, Aaron.......................are all types of Christ. By your argument:

-Isaac, as a type of God the Father's only begotten Son(Genesis chapter 22, 22:2: "...thine only son"; Hebrews 11:17-19), could not be a type of Christ(then you have to use all of it), for he was married(Gen. 25:20), chose Esau over God's choice of Isaac(Gen, 25:28).........

-Jacob could not be a type of Christ(then you have to use all of it) for he was a schemer(Gen. chapter 25, 27), a liar(Gen. 26:6), and showed fear often(Gen. 31:31"...Then Jacob was greatly afraid and distressed...", prefiguring(typology) the Great Tribulation, "... the time of Jacob's trouble"(Jer. 31:31)).......

- Moses could not be a type of Christ(then you have to use all of it), for he was a murderer(Exodus 2:12)........

-Aaron could not be a type of Christ(then you have to use all of it), (in his office as high priest- Hebrews 5:4-5: "...as was Aaron.So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest...), since Aaron set up the golden calf worship(Exodus 32:1-5).......

- Joseph could not be a type of Christ(then you have to use all of it), for he was married(Gen. 41:45).......

The list goes on and on. There is no such thing as a "perfect type"( then you have to use all of it) , for the very nature of things/persons used as types were all stamped with imperfection and incompleteness by God's design. who used the imperfect and incomplete(as He did in revealing His word) as sign posts pointing to the Lord Jesus Christ, the Perfect and Complete One. The responsibility of the student of God's word is to discern where a type begins, and where it ends. And hence:

"For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope." Romans 15:4

"...Now these things were our examples('tupos' Greek=types)..." 1 Cor. 10:6

You have 2 choices, based on your own argument(for your argument to be valid):

1. exclude all types as to the person of the Lord Jesus Christ("typical persons", and "typical offices"(Aaron, for eg, as High Priest, Moses as "the prophet"......................) from consideration, discounting their validity, since all of them do not perfectly and completely reflect the Lord Jesus Christ's perfection and completeness in life, character, attributes.......

or

2. Show us the perfect and complete type in the Holy Bible.


In Christ,
John M. Whalen