• Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.

Church Admin. is out of control

Dec 17, 2018
2
2
63
The Bible Belt
✟22,949.00
Country
United States
Gender
Female
Faith
Baptist
Marital Status
Married
For many years we have been paying our pastors and staff too much. (based on demographics, size of church, etc). This was discovered by our personnel and finance committee after research when some deacon families left the church over not enough funds being allotted to missions. 75% of our budget is being spent on salaries, benefits, and buildings.

Clearly we need to tighten up and do a better job. This is a difficult process, to say the least. Everything has had no accountability, and no leadership for too long, and now we are suffering. It is heartbreaking and distracting from the great commission.

Now it was discovered our Pastors and staff have been receiving a 2 to 1 match into their 401K accounts. Meaning they put in a dollar, the church matches it with $2. Even part-time workers had a 401K. This is way out of line.
We can't even tell who signed off on this or how long this has been happening, it's been going on for about 20 years!
So my question is: Where can I research church 401K's to see how other churches structure theirs? What is reasonable?
 

paul1149

that your faith might rest in the power of God
Site Supporter
Mar 22, 2011
8,463
5,266
NY
✟697,554.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Private
Politics
US-Others
I'm not Baptist, but I think this still applies. :)

This article has some good general info, links to management software, and a link to what looks like helpful financial church survey info from the evangelical church credit union.
 
Upvote 0

Bible Highlighter

Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul.
Site Supporter
Jul 22, 2014
41,685
7,908
...
✟1,322,306.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Married
For many years we have been paying our pastors and staff too much. (based on demographics, size of church, etc). This was discovered by our personnel and finance committee after research when some deacon families left the church over not enough funds being allotted to missions. 75% of our budget is being spent on salaries, benefits, and buildings.

Clearly we need to tighten up and do a better job. This is a difficult process, to say the least. Everything has had no accountability, and no leadership for too long, and now we are suffering. It is heartbreaking and distracting from the great commission.

Now it was discovered our Pastors and staff have been receiving a 2 to 1 match into their 401K accounts. Meaning they put in a dollar, the church matches it with $2. Even part-time workers had a 401K. This is way out of line.
We can't even tell who signed off on this or how long this has been happening, it's been going on for about 20 years!
So my question is: Where can I research church 401K's to see how other churches structure theirs? What is reasonable?

You might be interested in these Christian Forum threads here:

The Pastor King (New)

God's Order in the Church vs Man's Order
 
Upvote 0
Dec 17, 2018
2
2
63
The Bible Belt
✟22,949.00
Country
United States
Gender
Female
Faith
Baptist
Marital Status
Married
Thank you all for the replies.
I am hanging onto this verse:
1Peter2:23 who, when he was reviled, did not revile in return; when he suffered, He did not threaten, but committed Himself to Him who judges rightly.

I certainly have not suffered as He did, but I can still entrust myself to the one who judges rightly.
 
Upvote 0