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Christians or Pascalians?

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Poll after poll says that the United States has a majority of people that claim to be a Christian.

But what if they are just saying that, but are doing so with the mindset that it is better to be safe than sorry about heaven and hell and eternity, but live a life no different than the non and anti Christians in society?

Are we witnessing Pascal's Wager in reality?





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Poll after poll says that the United States has a majority of people that claim to be a Christian.

But what if they are just saying that, but are doing so with the mindset that it is better to be safe than sorry about heaven and hell and eternity, but live a life no different than the non and anti Christians in society?

Are we witnessing Pascal's Wager in reality?





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Obviously many people in America who claim to be christian are by title only or by birth. So many of the christian population in America support things that are so blasphemous and heretical that it almost has to be by default that they are only christian by title.
 
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Obviously many people in America who claim to be christian are by title only or by birth. So many of the christian population in America support things that are so blasphemous and heretical that it almost has to be by default that they are only christian by title.

Like Jesus said.




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Poll after poll says that the United States has a majority of people that claim to be a Christian.

But what if they are just saying that, but are doing so with the mindset that it is better to be safe than sorry about heaven and hell and eternity, but live a life no different than the non and anti Christians in society?

Are we witnessing Pascal's Wager in reality?





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Yes. Except those who fully learn about other religions end up realizing the wager is flawed and stop being Christian.
 
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Yes. Except those who fully learn about other religions end up realizing the wager is flawed and stop being Christian.

I became a Christian after studying other religions and non and anti Christian beliefs and history.

And of course logic.
 
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Obviously many people in America who claim to be christian are by title only or by birth. So many of the christian population in America support things that are so blasphemous and heretical that it almost has to be by default that they are only christian by title.



Looks like it's going to come down to Jesus deciding that for you eventually, but don't worry, I think thats the way it's supposed to be for Christians. :)

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A lot of people just say they're Christian here as well. Doesn't surprise me in the least, given the racist, sexist and otherwise bigoted attitudes I see so much of!
Hey there,

Just saying hello.

Off topic here, I just stepped in because I finally noticed there is two of the same thread going and I wanted to check the original thread out.

I also only quoted this post to inform the poster that they have a really nice avatar in their sig.

Nice looking signature pic Sabre. Good work to whoever did it.
 
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"They" disagree with me.
My position is obviously true. Really obviously obvious, backed up by logic, tradition, inspiration and the WorldNetDaily editor.

This can only mean that "they" are evil and like it.

q.e.d.
 
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Christianity is so multifarious. Mormons and Evangelicals have hugely different theologies, yet they both claim to be Christian. You have Quakers, and Jehovah's Witnesses, and Christian Scientists in the mix, just to name a few. I doubt that any of the major world religions has such diversity. And the fact that sincere Christians can have such widely divergent beliefs is what for many of us non-believers, calls into question the veracity of the whole thing. One person's heresy is another's orthodoxy. So how can I know who's right? Or maybe they're both wrong?
 
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Except, apparently, you.

Wrong again.

I'm surprised every day that people are still buying in to progressive and liberal social reengineering. But then again, the populace embracing licentiousness and perversions and decaying into an anything goes situation is nothing new in the history of mankind.

Click, shhhhhhck, REPEAT.

Click, shhhhhhck, REPEAT.
 
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Christianity is so multifarious. Mormons and Evangelicals have hugely different theologies, yet they both claim to be Christian. You have Quakers, and Jehovah's Witnesses, and Christian Scientists in the mix, just to name a few. I doubt that any of the major world religions has such diversity. And the fact that sincere Christians can have such widely divergent beliefs is what for many of us non-believers, calls into question the veracity of the whole thing. One person's heresy is another's orthodoxy.

So how can I know who's right?

Or maybe they're both wrong? [/quote]

I was once an atheist. And I read the New Testament many, many, many, times. Finally, I actual saw what is written in it.

Things like the following. A theme that starts with Jesus and ends in the book of Revelation.

Let's "look" and "listen" in shall we?

Jude,

a servant of Jesus Christ and a brother of James,

To those who have been called, who are loved by God the Father and kept by Jesus Christ:


Mercy, peace and love be yours in abundance. The sin and doom of Godless men

Dear friends, although I was very eager to write to you about the salvation we share, I felt I had to write and urge you to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to the saints.

For certain men whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are godless men, who change the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.


(Though you already know all this, I want to remind you that the Lord delivered his people out of Egypt, but later destroyed those who did not believe. And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their own home—these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day.)

In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.

In the very same way, these dreamers pollute their own bodies, reject authority and slander celestial beings. But even the archangel Michael, when he was disputing with the devil about the body of Moses, did not dare to bring a slanderous accusation against him, but said, "The Lord rebuke you!" Yet these men speak abusively against whatever they do not understand; and what things they do understand by instinct, like unreasoning animals—these are the very things that destroy them.


Woe to them! They have taken the way of Cain; they have rushed for profit into Balaam's error; they have been destroyed in Korah's rebellion.

These men are blemishes at your love feasts, eating with you without the slightest qualm—shepherds who feed only themselves. They are clouds without rain, blown along by the wind; autumn trees, without fruit and uprooted—twice dead. They are wild waves of the sea, foaming up their shame; wandering stars, for whom blackest darkness has been reserved forever.

Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men: "See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones to judge everyone, and to convict all the ungodly of all the ungodly acts they have done in the ungodly way, and of all the harsh words ungodly sinners have spoken against him." These men are grumblers and faultfinders; they follow their own evil desires; they boast about themselves and flatter others for their own advantage. A call to persevere

But, dear friends, remember what the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ foretold. They said to you, "In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires."

These are the men who divide you, who follow mere natural instincts and do not have the Spirit.


But you, dear friends, build yourselves up in your most holy faith and pray in the Holy Spirit. Keep yourselves in God's love as you wait for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to bring you to eternal life.

Be merciful to those who doubt; snatch others from the fire and save them; to others show mercy, mixed with fear

—hating even the clothing stained by corrupted flesh. Doxology

To him who is able to keep you from falling and to present you before his glorious presence without fault and with great joy— to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen.
 
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Would the world be a better place if everyone agreed? Possibly yes, possibly no.

But we as humans have a really big problem of finding that out... because in our long history we have never ever discovered a way of how to get everyone to agree.

This frustrates people. It has frustrated people for millenia and will continue to frustrate them in the future. And people don´t like being frustrated.

So when they did not find a way to make people agree with them, they found ways to deal with this disagreement. Kill people who disagree. Ignore people who disagree. Assume that people who disagree are stupid, evil, or not really people. Wait for their deity to punish those who disagree.

I prefer the approach of continuing to make people agree. It might be hard and frustrating and aggravating... but it is the only way that has a chance to succeed.
 
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Poll after poll says that the United States has a majority of people that claim to be a Christian.

But what if they are just saying that, but are doing so with the mindset that it is better to be safe than sorry about heaven and hell and eternity, but live a life no different than the non and anti Christians in society?

Are we witnessing Pascal's Wager in reality?





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I don't know. What are the bare bones requirements for being considered a christian?
 
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Most people in the U.S. self-identify as Christian because that's how they grew up. It's socialization for most people, for an overwhelming majority of christians. I don't think there's necessarily anything wrong with that. You'll find the same thing in Muslim countries, Buddhist countries, Hindu countries and Atheist countries. It is what it is. A Pascal's wager sort of thinking might contribute to it for many as well, but I seriously doubt that is a prime motivator for very many.
 
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