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Many who wish to justify themselves would be well pleased if they could remove Paul's writings.
Where does Paul contradict the virgin birth and the betrayal of Judas?
Thank you kindly.
With respect to Judas please see my post #20 in this thread.
The only reference in Paul's writings to the birth of Jesus is:
Romans 1:3 "the gospel concerning his Son, who was descended from David according to the flesh".
The words "according to the flesh" I understand to mean "perfectly normal". Certainly no miraculous aspect is even remotely suggested. The very first birth story occurs decades later in Matthew. Mark makes no mention either. Luke's birth story contradicts Matthew and John ignores it completely.
Note also in Acts 1:24-26 that Matthias, the replacement for Judas, was elected after the ascension and just before Pentecost and thus could not be counted as among "the twelve" as a resurrection witness. There is a clear contradiction here. Either Paul is wrong or Matthew is wrong.
The only reference in Paul's writings to the birth of Jesus is:
Romans 1:3 "the gospel concerning his Son, who was descended from David according to the flesh".
The words "according to the flesh" I understand to mean "perfectly normal". Certainly no miraculous aspect is even remotely suggested. Mark makes no mention of the birth at all. The very first birth story occurs decades later in Matthew. Luke's birth story contradicts Matthew and John ignores it completely.
Paul teaches holiness. He teaches that gentiles to separate themselves from this world and all its unholy ways. Paul never countermanded the Lord. Paul teaches the same doctrine as Christ also taught. Jesus told His disciples to teach the gentile nations to observe what he commanded them. That's exactly what Paul does. Paul points to Christ in all things.
Galatians 5:19 The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.
1 Timothy 6:3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
4 He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.
6 But godliness with contentment is great gain.
7 For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out.
8 And having food and raiment let us be therewith content.
9 But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition.
10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
Hebbrews 13: 5 Keep your lives free from the love of money and be content with what you have, because God has said,
“Never will I leave you;
never will I forsake you.”[a]
6 So we say with confidence,
“The Lord is my helper; I will not be afraid.
What can mere mortals do to me?”
I agree with all of that, but I don't think that is the extent of the actions that the Bible says are holy.
1 Peter 1:13-16 Therefore, preparing your minds for action,[a] and being sober-minded, set your hope fully on the grace that will be brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ. 14 As obedient children, do not be conformed to the passions of your former ignorance, 15 but as he who called you is holy, you also be holy in all your conduct, 16 since it is written, “You shall be holy, for I am holy.”
We are told to have a holy conduct and then verse 16 quotes from the law about how to have a holy conduct. For example:
Leviticus 19:2-3 “Speak to all the congregation of the people of Israel and say to them, You shall be holy, for I the Lord your God am holy. 3 Every one of you shall revere his mother and his father, and you shall keep my Sabbaths: I am the Lord your God.
Being holy as God is holy is associated with keeping God's holy days, and really I think it is pretty straightforward that keeping God's holy days is part of what it means to have a holy conduct. Furthermore, Jesus' holy conduct involved keeping God's holy days and we are told to follow his example and to obey his commands and walk as he walked.
Exactly..... why would Jesus have said this:None of the apostles command us to observe Sabbath. If its so important i think they might have taught it many times, just as they do other commands which Christ gave us through them.
You missed Acts 1:21-22
Wherefore of these men which have companied with us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us,
Beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that he was taken up from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection.
Wherein Peter tells us Matthias and Joseph were resurrection witnesses.
PS Resurrection is not the same as ascension.
No, there are other Pauline references. Here's one:
Gal. 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
The context is Abraham and two sons, one of whom was of the promise v23. Paul would have known the Isaiah prophecy of promise (the sign given).
Nonsense, you are pretty much IGNORING the intent of the council of Jerusalem why would they DEMAND circumcision of gentiles to begin with if it was MEANINGLESS to the Law itself? The logic of this thinking is absent.
Gentiles are not grafted into Israel, more nonsense. Foreigners who "attached" themselves to Israel became by circumcision Israelites or they were not allowed to partake of the covenant of Israel (the Law).
In other words you are spouting a bunch of false statements here.
Jesus never commanded ANY non Jews to keep the Law, Jesus never instructed Paul to teach Gentiles to keep the Law. You are arguing from SILENCE and will continue to do so the New Testament has plenty of content that if you were correct in your assertions would be 100% obvious, in your face, and outright out front proclaiming by TEACHING of direct commanding to keep the Law when in fact one must use prestidigitation to acquire such knowledge.
With respect to Judas please see my post #20 in this thread.
The only reference in Paul's writings to the birth of Jesus is:
Romans 1:3 "the gospel concerning his Son, who was descended from David according to the flesh".
The words "according to the flesh" I understand to mean "perfectly normal". Certainly no miraculous aspect is even remotely suggested. Mark makes no mention of the birth at all. The very first birth story occurs decades later in Matthew. Luke's birth story contradicts Matthew and John ignores it completely.
Most interesting.....
you may have a point there...
That was your definition of "the twelve"; that they be resurrection witnesses. Paul knows this.While Matthias and Joseph may have been resurrection witnesses, they were not "of the twelve" at that time.
How? He's contrasting the allegory of the son of flesh with the son of promise. The point is son of promise was of God. First by making the barren Sarah fertile and two by making the virgin conceive. Paul knows this.So Paul contradicts himself.
Paul is contrasting the two covenants whose goals are righteousness (right way with God).Galatians 5:2
2 Now I, Paul, say to you that if you receive circumcision, Christ will be of no advantage to you.
I'm usually right, except when I'm wrong.
How much of Christianity is Paul? Is the faith as we know it made up mostly of Paul and his teachings?
Where would we be without Paul?
I have wondered about Paul. He does seem to take up a large part of the NT in his writings etc. Did he have his own agenda? Was his teachings very different from those of Jesus?
I ask these questions because i am curious to know if others have asked these questions and what answers people give. I for one are very much inexperienced in Biblical matters but i am trying to learn more and more as time goes on.
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