Christianity Devorces Morality from Reality

IS THE A QUESTION HERE, OR ARE YOU JUST VENTING YOUR ANGER? I will attempt to address your points but I am not sure you really want to know.

Rafael12 said:

One of the most pernicious effects of religion is that it tends to
divorce morality from the reality of human and animal suffering.

I am afraid you are wrong. Firstly, you claim that "religion" is at fault for a perceived separation of morality and the reality of suffering.

To lump all religions together and then accuse them all is an illogical application of "painting with a very broad brush".

Nothing in my religion (Christianity) divorces morality from anything. In fact, my "religion" dictates that we are supposed to help alleviate suffering, not cause it.

Religion allows people to imagine that their concerns are moral when
they are not--that is, when they have nothing to do with suffering or
its alleviation. indeed, religion allows people to imagine that their
concerns are moral when they are highly immoral--that is, when
pressing these concerns inflicts unnecessary and appalling suffering
on innocent human beings.

I cannot follow your logic here. As stated above, Christianity defines moral behavior. We are to abide by the moral laws that God set down for us.

This explains why Christians expend more "moral" energy opposing abortion than fighting genocide.

What makes you think that abortion is not genocide? Somewhere near 50 million babies have been murdered by their mothers in this country alone.

It explains why you are more concerned about human embryos than about the lifesaving promise of stem-cell research.

Another example of not knowing about your material. Stem cell research is not contrary to our beliefs. Embryonic stem cell research is!. There are many other sources of stem cells to be used for that promising research. No Christian I know is opposed to that research. I am opposed to embryonic stem cell research for at least two reasons. One, that life begins at conception. To take that life in experiments is immoral and unethical. Secondly, if you will remember, the original supreme court decision defined abortion as a "right to privacy" (and nowhere does the word privacy appear in the constitution). In their infinite belief in their own divinity they decided that life began some time after conception and thus it was acceptable to abort up to that point.

Today, partial birth abortions are performed as routine medical procedures and the LIVING BABY IS MURDERED BY INSERTING A NEEDLE INTO ITS SKULL AND SUCKING OUT ITS BRAINS.

In fact, if the "doctor" does not make the timely stroke and the baby is fully born he is required to expend all medical emergency practices to save its life.

When such "laws" are passed, it is inevitable that those laws will be stretched far past the original intent.

How long do you think it would be before embryos were created simply for use in lab experiments, and then what?

and it explains why you can preach against condom use in sub-Saharan Africa while millions die from AIDS there each year.

I have never preached about not using condoms, nor most anybody I know. The Catholic church does, but untold millions disagree with this.

More to the point, Christianity teaches self control which includes abstinence until marriage, and then being faithful to the marriage partner. If that concept were taught in those countries you worry about, there would be no epidemic of HIV/AIDS. For that matter, the bible teaches that homosexuality is wrong. Can you tell us how HIV/AIDS got spread around the world? First by homosexual practices and then by drug users sharing needles etc etc etc until it got into the mainstream.


You believe that your religious concerns about sex, in all their tiresome immensity, have something to do with morality.

Of course sex involves morality. Sex is to be confined to marriage, and does not include homosexuality, group sex, or any of the other recent pass times that have cropped up. Sex is a gift from God, and He told us how to use and enjoy it.

In our Christian society we take vows when we get married. Among other things we swear that we will "be faithful" to our partners. God established a number of rules about marriage and sex is included.

And yet, your efforts to constrain the sexual behavior of consenting adults-- and even to discourage your own sons and daughters from having premarital sex--are almost never geared toward the relief of human suffering.

You really have little concept of Christianity. Look at all the damage to society from the sexual revolution. Premarital sex has become the norm rather than the exception. Do you have any concept of the suffering and pain caused by the use of sex as a recreation? Actions have consequences and that includes fornicating like a bunch of wild animals. The impact on the individuals as well as society is catastrophic. Why do you tout premarital sex so much? The bible says it is wrong for a reason. That reason is the amount of suffering unrestrained fornication brings.


In fact, relieving suffering seems to rank rather low on your list of priorities. Your principal concern appears to be that the creator of the universe will take offense at something people do while naked.

If you had the first idea of what Christianity teaches you would not have even made that statement. I am mystified why you seem to believe that all the world's suffering is caused by your perceived view of Christian teaching about sex. I have already answered and told you what Christianity says about suffering and sex.

Why does your prudery contributes daily to the surplus of human misery?

Click to expand...

Because we believe that what God told us is right and true, including how to deal with sex, that we are prudes. The hole in your logic is incredibly large. In fact to the point that your whole thesis is flawed.

Please, if you want to criticise Christianity, then get enough real information to do so. Don't just come here with what you have put in your original post.

I am sorry if this offends you, but your attack on Christians, and our beliefs offends me. I am willing to discuss virtually any topic within Christianity, but there must be two sides capable of rational discussion.

Fred

Rafael12 said:

One of the most pernicious effects of religion is that it tends to
divorce morality from the reality of human and animal suffering.

Click to expand...

Humm.. You might have a technicality here, being that you said "Religion" not any specific religion, as such, there might be some truth to this commentary, IE: Norse Religions (Now called Mythologies) did indeed support the spreading of suffering in the name of personal moral accomplishment.

However, if your Reference was to Christianity, then this is a baseless statement that has no support, as it well documented that the Followers of Christ are very active in the duty of trying to not only prevent suffering, but to easy the trauma of damage when it happens, IE: Red Cross, Peace Corps, Etc.

Religion allows people to imagine that their concerns are moral when
they are not--that is, when they have nothing to do with suffering or
its alleviation. indeed, religion allows people to imagine that their
concerns are moral when they are highly immoral--that is, when
pressing these concerns inflicts unnecessary and appalling suffering
on innocent human beings.

Click to expand...

This looks like little more then a personal rant, so I'll just let it pass.

This explains why Christians expend more "moral" energy opposing abortion than fighting genocide.

Click to expand...

Really?

Can you support this claim, because it seems like just same old same old baseless unsubstantiated bashing that your post seems to have an ongoing theme of.

It explains why you are more concerned about human embryos than about the lifesaving promise of stem-cell research.

Click to expand...

Now this is just gross, when you look at it, I mean here you are, saying "He lets chop up unborn babies to see what we can do with them" as opposed to saying "Lets see what we can do with out needing to chop up unborn babies" of the two of us, I would say, given how you view morality, you do not seem to be able to grasp this concept.

How sad really.

and it explains why you can preach against condom use in sub-Saharan Africa while millions die from AIDS there each year.

Click to expand...

And yet, they still don't get the idea, that IF you get married, and IF you have sex with only one person in your life, you WILL NOT get Aids and Die from it.

You believe that your religious concerns about sex, in all their tiresome immensity, have something to do with morality. And yet, your efforts to constrain the sexual behavior of consenting adults-- and even to discourage your own sons and daughters from having premarital sex--are almost never geared toward the relief of human suffering. In fact, relieving suffering seems to rank rather low on your list of priorities. Your principal concern appears to be that the creator of the universe will take offense at something people do while naked.

Click to expand...

"Hey kids, Rememeber, if you are going to treat yourself like a dime store harlot and have sex with everyone, you may as well ask top dollar for your piece of (Beep)."

Yup, that sounds.... really... moral.....

Why does your prudery contributes daily to the surplus of human misery?

Click to expand...

It doesn't, you just wish it did, so your little argument by outrage would hold a drop of water.

God Bless

Key