• Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.

christianity and "religion"

seebs

God Made Me A Skeptic
Apr 9, 2002
31,917
1,530
20
Saint Paul, MN
Visit site
✟70,235.00
Faith
Seeker
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Republican
Originally posted by stu
I have heard more then a few people he claim tha christanity is not a religion, but instead a "lifestyle" or something else.

here is the place to prove that this is indeed true. if you can.

stu

ps mak sure to define the terms that you will be useing. like what is a religion exactly etc.

Boy, I'd never be able to prove that; Christianity passes all the tests I can think of to be considered a religion, or at least a family of religions.

However, some people don't follow it that way; they go to church because there's potlucks and a social group, and politely ignore the weird things the funny old guy says. I guess they've got a "lifestyle", not a "religion".
 
Upvote 0
Religion is what exists beyond the visible world, it is differentiated from philosophy in that it operates through faith or intuition rather than reason, and generally including the idea of the existence of a single being, a group of beings, and eternal principle or a transcendent spiritual entity that has created the world, that governs it, that controls its destinies, or that intervenes occassionally in the natural course of its history, as well as the idea that ritual, prayer, spiritual exercises, certain principles of everyday conduct, etc. (ref. websters encyclopedic unabridged dictionary of the english language.)

Being a Christian means one that follows Jesus' teachings or one who exemplifies his/her life after the teachings of Christ. (ref. Websters encyclopedic unabridged dictionary of the english language)
Saying that, one could access that Christianity is indeed a religion but it is ALSO a lifestyle.

To be a Christian is to have a new life in Christ, meaning your old way of thinking and living is passed away specifically if that life was not consistent with the teachings of Jesus Christ. Which in most cases, the life one lived before he/she became a Christian was not consistent with the teachings of Christ.
 
Upvote 0
Originally posted by Josephus
what is a religion?

Religion is what exists beyond the visible world, it is differentiated from philosophy in that it operates through faith or intuition rather than reason, and generally including the idea of the existence of a single being, a group of beings, and eternal principle or a transcendent spiritual entity that has created the world, that governs it, that controls its destinies, or that intervenes occassionally in the natural course of its history, as well as the idea that ritual, prayer, spiritual exercises, certain principles of everyday conduct, etc. (ref. websters encyclopedic unabridged dictionary of the english language.)

I stated this earlier in an above post.
 
Upvote 0

Shaggy

Active Member
Nov 28, 2001
150
0
51
Michigan
✟423.00
I think religion can be more defined as a manmade structure and design of an idea. Christianity in it's pure form is not really a religion but faith and knowing that the bible is the word of God.

Denominations that add structure and tradition to Christianity would be a religion to me.

Also a religion could also be found in other forms of Superior being beliefs, such as Buddism, Hinduism, and any belief that has a man made structure. :)
 
Upvote 0

stu

Well-Known Member
Feb 7, 2002
584
1
42
Visit site
✟1,277.00
what is a religion?

I don't know you practice one I don't. you might have a better idea then i do. ;)

i think of it as anything that is a foundational belief about atelogical queastions that is unchangeable because of its dogma and scriptures. usally a deity is involved but not always.

so along those lines could you please respond to the orginal question of the thread. and start another if you wish to discuss the full defintion of religion.

peace
stu
 
Upvote 0
what is a religion?

How about: a system of beliefs based on the existance of one or more supernatural beings?

This would distnguish it from philosophies, sociological theories, or mottos. Also distinguishes it from atheism.

BTW, I've never heard anyone call christianity a "lifestyle".

DanZ
 
Upvote 0

stu

Well-Known Member
Feb 7, 2002
584
1
42
Visit site
✟1,277.00
Originally posted by juliod


How about: a system of beliefs based on the existance of one or more supernatural beings?

This would distnguish it from philosophies, sociological theories, or mottos. Also distinguishes it from atheism.

BTW, I've never heard anyone call christianity a "lifestyle".

DanZ

can we please stay on the topic of this forum. Work with your own defintion and explain. I don't want this thread to be hijacked into a "what is religion" thread.

i have indeed heard some people claim that christianity was not a religion but instead a lifestyle. I guess that is not true.

i suppose we needa new thread though to contine the "what is a religion" idea.
stu
 
Upvote 0

LouisBooth

Well-Known Member
Feb 6, 2002
8,895
64
✟19,588.00
Gender
Male
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Libertarian
Stu, you're confusing the issue. That statement is made to say that it influences all other aspects of your life. You are a new creation as the scriptures say. You are changed. The basis of this change is your relationship with God. Kind of (but not totally) like you being single vs you being married.
 
Upvote 0
Aren't all religion's lifestyles?

Please be more specific!

A religion is merely something that gives you principles to live your life by - we are the human computers, here. We know what we like, and what we don't like.

With that said, I think it should be taken that in Genesis 1:26 "Let us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness;"

I think that would mean that there's another 3 dimensional world of spiritual beings. And its as if they have security clearance into this world, they can pass back and forth, they are the administrators of this network.

But in the same example, I think that would also mean that we who are human, and made like unto their image, they who are spiritual, we who are human, are the users of this world, that God has created specifically for our uses. So, in this sense, They who are spiritual, cannot intervene or use things of this 3 dimensional world, as we can. Though they can see us, and probably, (though this is speculation) alter how we feel inside, like give us strength by touching our hearts. BUT we cannot intervene or see the 3 dimensional world that they can. So, we who are human, have like this primitive soul, I guess, that doesn't have all the functionality as the spiritual being does, so we need help from them to do things that we wouldn't otherwise be capable of doing (like, talking to God, or blessing, speaking in tongues, or healing, or whatever) So there are benefits for both sides of this 2 sided, 3 dimensional world. While we who are humans, need faith to get by, making sure that we believe in the right God. If I speak anymore, I feel that I'll lead some astray.

Anyway, this is all speculation. I hope you understand, there could very well be a hierarchy of spiritual beings, that goes from God, to Angels (good and bad), to People. And it is the angels battle, between them and the devils, to save as many as they can. And it is the humans battle, between flesh and spirit to save themselves and others if they can.

Now my question is, why keep your thinking in such a small space as lifestyles etc.. when there could very well be an infinite amount of other things. Like, everyone has thought about "what it would like to become Chrsitian" Before they became saved (other than the ones who accepted Christ as a little child, then there's probably no way they could've thought about it that much) and usually, the idea isn't too hot, as in our human nature, will compare ourselves to others, the examples that we know. But nobody who is not saved will truly know for sure. Because there is so much darkness, but it is just much easier to side with the negative than the positive, because the pain you can be so much more sure of (in this world) than you can be of the joy.

Anyway, "What do you think it would be like if you became a Christian"? should be dubbed over with this question. "Why aren't I a Christian?" And probably, an introspective look at the beliefs you already have would be in order. What are the benefits? What are the pleasures? Do what you believe have anything to do with Christianity, and in what ways, are they mainly pro or con? Would they even exist if there wasn't a Christianity?

Furthermore, I'm going to end this soon, but, furthermore, Christianity should be looked at a Philosophy, and should be looked at scientifically, and not just mildly thought about. There are many serious claims that should be weighed carefully in the bible, unless life is simply nothing more than debating the likenesses and unlikenesses, that is all pointlessness. If it were seriously taken into consideration, and every major issue of the bible was seriously considered in your every day life style (as I had done) You'd see that very well, there still is sin. And the Holy Bible is the only religion I know that deals with Sin out right. Also, I'm always befuddled by this question, but how could two Men, Moses and Aaron lead 144,000 (or whatever the number of slaves was) out of Egypt and establish a religion that's so cockamamee, so based upon purification and the country thereof still exist to this day? There had to be an enforcing force behind their Exodus, and that force must've been God. Who would enforce such a religion? I know, I went off on a little tantrum.

But when dealing with Religion, since it deals with such a large scope of erveryone's lives, individually, as well as on the whole, the subject of Religion should be taken into consideration as a major subject, and not a simple subject, such as movies or music, to be thought about. The in's and out's should be looked at very carefully, and very logically.

Above all, it should be taken into consideration, that to logically assess whether or not Christianity is real, is to attend Church a few times, accept Jesus as your savior (as it reads in the bible, the Holy Spirit will come into you, those who have a believing heart) and pray a few times to God. But I should also point out that it would be an extreme waste not to give it a good chance. Try the change for a while, and let it lead you where it may. Give it command.

Finally, Christianity shouldn't be the focal point for dispute and debate, it is a way to find peace and love in this chaotic world.

Also : Check out the statistics, would a bogus religion have such a large crowd? I think its unbelievable how well its done!

There truly is a God, and his son's name is Jesus.
 
Upvote 0

stu

Well-Known Member
Feb 7, 2002
584
1
42
Visit site
✟1,277.00
Aren't all religion's lifestyles?

ummmm... no

christianity is no where close to Islam. Islam actually dictates lifestyles it is a total religion. Christains on the other hand usally live a much much more secular lifestyle

Now my question is, why keep your thinking in such a small space as lifestyles etc.. when there could very well be an infinite amount of other things.

there could be... but until it is seen or proven it is just your imagination, not that that is bad... it just isn't real, yet.

Finally, Christianity shouldn't be the focal point for dispute and debate, it is a way to find peace and love in this chaotic world.

only for its memebers...

Also : Check out the statistics, would a bogus religion have such a large crowd? I think its unbelievable how well its done!

Yes , especially if it has been around since the time when all religions were just accepted and never questioned... since it was the only LOGICAL explenation THEN..

time is not the advantage that many say it is...Is a model T designed to drive on the modern interstates.. sure it looks better. but is it really better for the modern times?

stu
 
Upvote 0
Originally posted by stu


ummmm... no

christianity is no where close to Islam. Islam actually dictates lifestyles it is a total religion. Christains on the other hand usally live a much much more secular lifestyle



All religions are lifestyles. If you follow one closely enough, they can be your lifestyle.

there could be... but until it is seen or proven it is just your imagination, not that that is bad... it just isn't real, yet.

Ok, Everyone has an attitude. Some people come on here and see our attitude and totally don't understand it. Some people see your attitudee and completely understand it. Attitudes are the results of (good or bad) thoughts of our everyday lifestyle. You should try to find out what the core meaning of all your thoughts are, and by that way, you'd find out what the core meaning of your attitude is.

Thoughts lead to thoughts, and all thoughts are connected to a emotion.

How do I expect you to understand this? You drew an analogy of believing in Jesus to driving a Ford Model T "on modern interstates".

Go ahead and drive your hot rod, see if it takes you to heaven.

only for its memebers...

I suppose that would mean people like me? Well.. PRAISE to the Lord God, I found what the truth is! Its through the door labelled JESUS!

Yes , especially if it has been around since the time when all religions were just accepted and never questioned... since it was the only LOGICAL explenation THEN..

time is not the advantage that many say it is...Is a model T designed to drive on the modern interstates.. sure it looks better. but is it really better for the modern times?

The truth of somethings cannot revealed using logic. A main contender of this is faith (Or in layman Atheist terms 'religion'). God is the meaning of this world, we are the meaning of his will.

The Answer of a much more larger scheme of things that is happening right now, in the SAME reality, is based upon the same world idea, God. But the understanding is beyond what your eyes are allowed to see. Is Beyond what your mind is allowed to understand, without the help of Jesus - a stronger spiritual force in this world, of our reality, you are left veiled to the truth, as you are stranded to the false and bogus non-beneficial beliefs of your present time.

1. You need to do a check up of your beliefs now. Would they even exist if Christianity didn't exist? What would you do for believing if there was no God? What are the underlying motives for believing these beliefs?

2. Time doesn't change anything. The truth from 500 years ago (or in Jesus case, 2,000 years ago) is still considered the truth of today, and it will always be the truth until it has been proven false. What changes things is usefulness. When something becomes more useful than a past thing, then it comes the standard and not anymore.

Which is another thing, if Jesus Christ was nothing more than a fashion, it would've died out a thousand years ago.

Which baffles me about buddhists - they sure seem swept up into the peace, love and harmony - Christianity offers the same thing! Only difference is, Buddhism will take you through 9 more lives, and Christianity promises Heaven when you die. Its not a lie, this is what the book, the Holy Bible, truly promises! Take a look for yourself,

1 John 5:13 " I write this to you who believe in the Son of God, so that you may know you have eternal life."

and
John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believs in him will not perish but have eternal life."

If you can look at those two passages, and not deny in your heart, that yes, THE BIBLE ACTUALLY does Say this. And yes, if this is what it says, then without a doubt, I can believe what it says, because I KNOW that the next time I look at this, it will NOT change, the words will NOT be switched around. I can look at this and feel completely fully assured, that it's truly saying what its meaning, Then, what have you?

Really, if you can't accept that what is typed in the bible as truth, then you must be lying to yourself.

THe bible - Holy bible, Token of God, truth of God, perfect will of God. Pure and holy, and Absolute truth of God. The proof of God.

Would a loving and kind God sacrifice his son for humans? YES, WHY? Because God Loved humans as much as he loved his son, but to show his love for humans, HE SACRIFICED HIS OWN SON.

So that they might be able to have eternal life with him in heaven.

THIS IS TRUTH : GOD IS LOVE.

if Jesus Christ was nothing more than a fashion, it would've died out a thousand years ago.

Was Jesus a bad person? Did he go around setting fire to buildings, stabbing people in the back or steal from merchants? No, he was just a person who went around Israel telling everyone that the way they were worshipping was all wrong, and he was trying to tell it to them how it should be done. Was Jesus a bad person? No. He was a person who was doing God's will. He went everywhere HEALING people, and casting out demons. He was telling people how to worship the right way. In such an immense world, how could such a thing so trivial, such as purity and sanctity, be such a big issue????? BECAUSE its the only thing that really matters!!!!!

Understand that, if you can.

If there was no school, no tv, no music, no anything. Nothing, except for the bible, and say a little child was brought up in a home where he didn't have all the creature comforts of everyone else, and he just had the bible to read, would you think that he would become a Christian? Simply by reading the bible? No, he couldn't!

Someone would have to tell him how to read first, and then explain to him all the things of the bible. Just as its laid out in the bible, the knowledge of God was passed on from person to person by Faith, just as God would have it to be done. Then maybe the child will know who God and Jesus are, but of course, the scale has tipped, there has to be more good things in his life, than bad things. Am I saying that God is mostly based upon Good things? Yes, I am. As I'm saying that hatred and things of the devil are based upon sins.

The bottom line : If you are wise, you will believe in the good. If you are foolish, you will deny the good. Good is of God, Sin is not of God. And its your choice to believe in God or not, but when you don't, you do sin. That's why its written, for when you are saved, you will receive no condemnation, but those who are not-saved are condemned already!
 
Upvote 0
Originally posted by stu


ummmm... no

christianity is no where close to Islam. Islam actually dictates lifestyles it is a total religion. Christains on the other hand usally live a much much more secular lifestyle



All religions are lifestyles. If you follow one closely enough, they can be your lifestyle.

there could be... but until it is seen or proven it is just your imagination, not that that is bad... it just isn't real, yet.

Ok, Everyone has an attitude. Some people come on here and see our attitude and totally don't understand it. Some people see your attitudee and completely understand it. Attitudes are the results of (good or bad) thoughts of our everyday lifestyle. You should try to find out what the core meaning of all your thoughts are, and by that way, you'd find out what the core meaning of your attitude is.

Thoughts lead to thoughts, and all thoughts are connected to a emotion.

only for its memebers...

I suppose that would mean people like me? Well.. PRAISE to the Lord God, I found what the truth is! Its through the door labelled JESUS!

Yes , especially if it has been around since the time when all religions were just accepted and never questioned... since it was the only LOGICAL explenation THEN..

time is not the advantage that many say it is...Is a model T designed to drive on the modern interstates.. sure it looks better. but is it really better for the modern times?

The truth of somethings cannot revealed using logic. A main contender of this is faith (Or in layman Atheist terms 'religion'). God is the meaning of this world, we are the meaning of his will.

The Answer of a much more larger scheme of things that is happening right now, in the SAME reality, is based upon the same world idea, God. But the understanding is beyond what your eyes are allowed to see. Is Beyond what your mind is allowed to understand, without the help of Jesus - a stronger spiritual force in this world, of our reality, you are left veiled to the truth, as you are stranded to the false and bogus non-beneficial beliefs of your present time.

1. You need to do a check up of your beliefs now. Would they even exist if Christianity didn't exist? What would you do for believing if there was no God? What are the underlying motives for believing these beliefs?

2. Time doesn't change anything. The truth from 500 years ago (or in Jesus case, 2,000 years ago) is still considered the truth of today, and it will always be the truth until it has been proven false. What changes things is usefulness. When something becomes more useful than a past thing, then it comes the standard and not anymore.

Which is another thing, if Jesus Christ was nothing more than a fashion, it would've died out a thousand years ago.

Which baffles me about buddhists - they sure seem swept up into the peace, love and harmony - Christianity offers the same thing! Only difference is, Buddhism will take you through 9 more lives, and Christianity promises Heaven when you die. Its not a lie, this is what the book, the Holy Bible, truly promises! Take a look for yourself,

1 John 5:13 " I write this to you who believe in the Son of God, so that you may know you have eternal life."

and
John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believs in him will not perish but have eternal life."

If you can look at those two passages, and not deny in your heart, that yes, THE BIBLE ACTUALLY does Say this. And yes, if this is what it says, then without a doubt, I can believe what it says, because I KNOW that the next time I look at this, it will NOT change, the words will NOT be switched around. I can look at this and feel completely fully assured, that it's truly saying what its meaning, Then, what have you?

Really, if you can't accept that what is typed in the bible as truth, then you must be lying to yourself.

THe bible - Holy bible, Token of God, truth of God, perfect will of God. Pure and holy, and Absolute truth of God. The proof of God.

Would a loving and kind God sacrifice his son for humans? YES, WHY? Because God Loved humans as much as he loved his son, but to show his love for humans, HE SACRIFICED HIS OWN SON.

So that they might be able to have eternal life with him in heaven.

THIS IS TRUTH : GOD IS LOVE.

if Jesus Christ was nothing more than a fashion, it would've died out a thousand years ago.

Was Jesus a bad person? Did he go around setting fire to buildings, stabbing people in the back or steal from merchants? No, he was just a person who went around Israel telling everyone that the way they were worshipping was all wrong, and he was trying to tell it to them how it should be done. Was Jesus a bad person? No. He was a person who was doing God's will. He went everywhere HEALING people, and casting out demons. He was telling people how to worship the right way. In such an immense world, how could such a thing so trivial, such as purity and sanctity, be such a big issue????? BECAUSE its the only thing that really matters!!!!!

Understand that, if you can.

If there was no school, no tv, no music, no anything. Nothing, except for the bible, and say a little child was brought up in a home where he didn't have all the creature comforts of everyone else, and he just had the bible to read, would you think that he would become a Christian? Simply by reading the bible? No, he couldn't!

Someone would have to tell him how to read first, and then explain to him all the things of the bible. Just as its laid out in the bible, the knowledge of God was passed on from person to person by Faith, just as God would have it to be done. Then maybe the child will know who God and Jesus are, but of course, the scale has tipped, there has to be more good things in his life, than bad things. Am I saying that God is mostly based upon Good things? Yes, I am. As I'm saying that hatred and things of the devil are based upon sins.

The bottom line : If you are wise, you will believe in the good. If you are foolish, you will deny the good. Good is of God, Sin is not of God. And its your choice to believe in God or not, but when you don't, you do sin. That's why its written, for when you are saved, you will receive no condemnation, but those who are not-saved are condemned already!

Please, before I actually think of responding to anymore of this, You need to either become an Atheist with a real education or someone with a little more faith.
 
Upvote 0