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Christianity and Marijuana

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This was a post that I had made earlier to a much smaller forum, and after writing it, I felt that I would want a larger response, so here I am registered and sharing.

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Alright, I don't want to burst anybody's bubble... but I am high right now. No joke.. I swear.

I have been a Christian since as young as I can remember, and yes my friends and I get into some very crazy, but interesting conversations especially when we're high. Many of them include God, and I always defend his honor. I am a firm believer.

Most of you have a very skewed sense of drugs because of the way society portrays it throughout public school system, media, etc. Not to say narcotics (Heroin, etc) are good in any way shape or form, but weed is not a narcotic.

When you buy into everything these sources have to say, when one smokes, drinks or does whatever, a "Placebo" effect often occurs.
Placebo is where for example, I say "Ok turn around. Tell me if this feels like an egg cracking on your head." Then I continue to do the ever so famous hand finger motion around your head. And you turn to me and say, "Oh my gosh it does!" Placebos are used quite often in treating elderly people. This effect translates into people freaking out, or losing control when they get high or drunk. I have seen it many times, more so with alcohol but with weed as well. The experience is different for everybody but if you are constantly told it makes you lose control before you have any idea what's going to happen... well, I'm sure that's a pretty heavy influence in the losing control, freaking out category.

I am really, really high right now. However I am able to concentrate on my thoughts more specifically. The world we live in has so much around us, we take in information at an overwhelming rate and are continuously processing information. This is extremely obvious, just watch some of the first movies made and notice how slow they move and how kindergarten smart they are. Or look into the topic "Pop Culture". Back in the good old bible days, these distractions existed, but at a minor level compared with today.

When was the last time you went into the wilderness without any discouraging synthetic sounds and were able to be in a reflective state without battling today's ever enormous din?
For me, weed helps me to drown out everything else and concentrate on what I choose to. This effect might not happen with everyone, because everyone is different and the placebo effect.

Now to the point... I honestly don't know where to stand on this religion wise obviously just because of the way I was raised(In the church). However, when I smoke I don't feel as though I'm betraying God in anyway. If anything I feel like I am able to understand things better standing back from this Consumer Society.

And for everyone who thinks intelligence is effected when you are high, you are absolutely right. Except for me, when I'm sober and take IQ Tests I score average around 116-119....when I'm high, its 126-130. That there is quite a significant increase. When I take these tests stoned, I see things completely different, but a good side to that is I remember everything when I'm high so I'm able to incorporate that way of seeing things into my sober state.

I believe weed for some people is a good mental stimulant, it really has got me thinking a lot more about things that are far more important than buying things for the sole purpose of perpetuating this evil Consumer society.

Well there is my 2 cents ;-)
 

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First of all, you should obey the laws of the land.

Second, substances have a way of taking over people's life. You say you use it to help you focus, well, some of my friends used to say that. Then they became totally dependant on it. A big thing we did to help them stop was to talk about the Ten Commandments. Specifically the first commandment. Exodus 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me. When we told them this they claimed that they never claimed any other god. But we had to tell them that it just doesn't mean an actually diety, it also means anything that you are extremely passionate about. Ex: Girlfriends, video games, substances, etc... These things aren't gods, but they do draw your attention away from Him. A big thing you should ask yourself is, who am I doing this for, God or myself? Cause we were made to praise him. He owes us nothing and gives us everything.
 
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PazzerBy said:
I believe weed for some people is a good mental stimulant, it really has got me thinking a lot more about things that are far more important than buying things for the sole purpose of perpetuating this evil Consumer society.

Please elaborate.
 
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I'm starting to get totally confused by the whole weed issue. Is it ONLY the pot-heads that I have met and lived with that showed negative effects from pot? From what I've read a couple times here at CF (in the friendship forum), pot apparently is the healthiest and safest product in the world, has no negative side effects, replaces exercise by making you muscular and cardiovasularly fit, and also is higly motivating - ensuring that you are at peak mental and emotional performance.
 
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PazzerBy said:
And for everyone who thinks intelligence is effected when you are high, you are absolutely right. Except for me, when I'm sober and take IQ Tests I score average around 116-119....when I'm high, its 126-130. That there is quite a significant increase. When I take these tests stoned, I see things completely different, but a good side to that is I remember everything when I'm high so I'm able to incorporate that way of seeing things into my sober state.

Don't take this the wrong way, but you've clearly had a bit too much.
 
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Jack_Racz said:
Please elaborate.

I would love to elaborate on this subject... but seriously it would take me forever to write about. I guess what I mean by that is I feel like I am able to enjoy the simpler things in life. I'm more prone to having abtract thought seeing similarities in the things God creates. It's more of a self enlightening type of experience its very hard for me to communicate this concept.

My reason for saying what I said previously is that everything and everyone is trying to sell you something in the world today. There are rarely things that don't have a catch 22 found in the common place anymore. Not many people are aware of this, and smoking really helps me separate, step back and say, "geez I really shouldn't be eating fast food" (lame example) just because of all the adverse effects it has on our culture.

I think when smoking weed the plant communicates with you, or maybe its just me, or maybe it's all in my head. But when (originally when I first started smoking) I'm high I have a desire to be around nature and to absorb and observe. When I am sober I share these feelings now, meaning I have been able to put my experiences to good use.

I seriously don't think I'm helping at all with this post, if you have any suggestions on how I can be more clear let me know, thanks.
 
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stray bullet said:
Don't take this the wrong way, but you've cleared had a bit too much.

I don't quite understand your post. I am not trying to tell people smoke so they are smarter, I simply mean that intelligence isn't measured on the **** that mass media and culture today feeds us... atleast according to all IQ tests I have seen.

I am not lying, I have the scores to prove it, and I really don't think your post is helping my topic at all.

Thanks for the.. comment?

PS. I am 100% sober at the moment and I do not smoke before taking tests.... it was more of an experiment.
 
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What you're feeling isn't at all unusual Pazzerby, I've seen it in many of my friends.

Your admittance that pot helps you enjoy the simpler things in life, score better on tests, absorb nature, etc., show me one thing - you are an uptight guy!:D

You should be able to do all that stuff without the help of weed. If you need weed to do those things, it has become a crutch for you.
 
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PazzerBy said:
I don't quite understand your post.

I typed "cleared" instead of "clearly"

I am not trying to tell people smoke so they are smarter, I simply mean that intelligence isn't measured on the **** that mass media and culture today feeds us... atleast according to all IQ tests I have seen.

That doesn't make sense, our culture and media generally suggest that IQ tests are the way to measure intelligence. I'm curious as to where you took these IQ tests.

I am not lying, I have the scores to prove it, and I really don't think your post is helping my topic at all.

I'd like to know where you took the tests, whether or not you took the tests from the the same source and whether or not you took the exact same test with the same questions.

There is really no biological reason that it would improve your IQ scores.
 
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PazzerBy said:
My reason for saying what I said previously is that everything and everyone is trying to sell you something in the world today. There are rarely things that don't have a catch 22 found in the common place anymore. Not many people are aware of this, and smoking really helps me separate, step back and say, "geez I really shouldn't be eating fast food" (lame example) just because of all the adverse effects it has on our culture.

Ummmm... I hope you can make these sort of decisions with out the "aid" of mind altering drugs. :eek:
 
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I heard that a moderate amount of alcohol can help someone think more clearly than without. I know that sounds weird but it was on the news not to long ago. We don't understand the full effects of weed, but we do know most of the dangerous side effects. I personally don't care for smoking weed, I can't handle it like I use to. First thing I don't believe in is being judgmental towards someone's beliefs (which I have found many, many judgmental people on this site). If your a Christian and have faith in God, I believe he'll lead you in the right direction in life. The things you think about now, may be a good thing, only to teach you a lesson. If smoking weed helps you with your concentration, or relax, become more focused on your own personal thoughts, then maybe that could be a good thing. Ya never know though.. it may come and bite you in the butt someday.. lol ;)
 
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Krystina661 said:
I heard that a moderate amount of alcohol can help someone think more clearly than without.

And I heard just the opposite. That as little as 1 ounce of alcohol can impair judgement.

How come seperate scientific studies always give birth to opposing conclusions?

As for MJ use: make sure your heart and mind are clear so that God's voice can be heard without distortion: allowing the Holy Spirit to help you decide via conviction whether or not smoking the bud should be a part of your spiritual walk.

For me, my path is chemical free.
 
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two feathers said:
And I heard just the opposite. That as little as 1 ounce of alcohol can impair judgement.

And I heard that chocolate can help you live a longer life! :D

But we all know that sugar isn't good for us right?


Caffeine is also considered a drug that causes many problems. But there are also studies that show people who drink moderate amounts of coffee can benefit in health. That's why there's a constant debate about things like this.
 
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Well, I must say I am a bit relieved to have more positive responses. I was curious to see how many other people out there have pondered the idea.

On one of my other posts, someone related eating fast food to smoking marijuana if you are treating your body as a temple... you shouldn't eat fast food. Personally, I don't eat fast food anymore because of many many more reasons than just the food being bad for you. (See Fast Food Nation by Eric Schlosser) I thought was an interesting comparison since weed obviously alters your state of mind... does fast food as well? I think it does but in a much more deceitful manner. Don't forget that Gluttony is a sin too.

I don't really know what else to say, so I'll just let this thread take on a life of its own.
 
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Besides being illegal...and addictive (I thought it was)...I also dont know how a person could defend taking substances...

Anyway I love it when threads start with Christianity and <blank> it makes me want to start a thread with Christianity and Double Espressos...random random I know.
 
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Well, I am firmly against substances. I think my walk with Christ will benefit from it cause nothing is impairing my judgements.

But I suppose to each his own...

Just watch out, I've seen one of my best friends smoke himself stupid. He started out as a casual smoker, and eventually he thought he couldn't be himself without it. I just hope you are praying to God about it when you are not high, see what He has to say about it.
 
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two feathers said:
And I heard just the opposite. That as little as 1 ounce of alcohol can impair judgement.

How come seperate scientific studies always give birth to opposing conclusions?

A little alcohol could increase blood flow and aid the brain through increased nutrients and respiration, but not be enough to adversly inhibit the chemistry of the brain.

As for my thoughts on using substances, one only needs to look at my title. Getting hooked to anything, substances included, however, is wrong.
 
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stray bullet said:
A little alcohol could increase blood flow and aid the brain through increased nutrients and respiration, but not be enough to adversly inhibit the chemistry of the brain.

We also need small amounts of Arsenic (very deadly). Juat something to ponder :cool:
 
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Jack_Racz said:
We also need small amounts of Arsenic (very deadly). Juat something to ponder :cool:

Well, it's just my opinion, but I get the feeling you are trying to kill this thread. How could you even begin to compare Arsenic to Alchohol... I was hoping for some constructive posts, maybe even have a worthwhile discussion, but it ends up with post high school mentality. Sigh...
 
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