Christian Zionism

[child of Jesus]

can Christian Zionism rightly be said to be a denomination?

what specific doctrines would identify it as a sect?

 

[ViaCrucis]

Not a denomination or sect, but rather a peculiar form of "religionized" nationalism. Generally associated with certain eschatological positions.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[child of Jesus]

Not a denomination or sect, but rather a peculiar form of "religionized" nationalism. Generally associated with certain eschatological positions.

-CryptoLutheran

that's a great description CL.
hadn't heard it before.

can it be considered authentic Christianity or is it heretical?
upon close examination, it teaches another Gospel (dual covenant) and i believe is supporting the antichrist of the last days (Talmudic Judaism, Gog of Magog in Palestine).

at the very least Christian Zionism is a violent warmongering 'religion' that bears no resemblance to authentic Christianity.

its emptied Christianity of everything Biblical.

do you disagree?

 

[child of Jesus]

What is Christian Zionism?

Simply speaking, Christian Zionism is support for the Jewish movement to regain possession of their ancient homeland, which derives from a Christian theology and understanding of the Bible. In the most basic of terms, this Christian theological support comes from a literalistic reading of such passages as Genesis 13:14-15, where God promises to Abraham, “All the land which you see, I will give it to you and to your seed forever”. When this motif is conflated with such passages as Genesis 12:3 [spoken to Abraham], “And I will bless those who bless you, and I will curse the one who curses you...”; and Joel 3:2, “And I will gather all the nations and bring them down to the Valley of Jehoshaphat, and I will judge them there because of my people, even my heritage, Israel, because they scattered them among the nations and because they divided my land”; the obvious implication is that, anyone who fails to support modern Israel in all her struggles with her various enemies, or anyone who approves of a treaty by which the boundaries first promised to Abraham are divided between Israel and her neighbors, will be under God's curse, and the object of his eschatological judgment.

The glaring problem with this simplistic reasoning, of course, is that it fails to take into account the biblical qualification as to who is intended by Abraham's “Seed,” and what is indicated by the land which he was promised (for the former, see Galatians 3:16; 3:28-29; Romans 4:11-17; for the latter, see Galatians 4:26; Hebrews 11:9-10; 12:22-24).

The Threat of Christian Zionism by Nathan Pitchford

 

[Knee V]

do you disagree?

I do not disagree.

can it be considered authentic Christianity or is it heretical?

On the spectrum of incorrect teachings - ranging from "merely inconsistent with the facts" to "soul-destroying heresy" - I'd put it closer to the heresy side of things.

 

[Ishraqiyun]

I don't even think "regained" is the proper way to speak of it. At one time the majority of the land in Palestine was controlled by people who happened to be pagan, then Jewish, then Christian, then Muslim. This in no way implies that the modern day adherents of any of those said religions have rights to that land simply because they happen to practice a religion that was once practiced there. "I practice the same religion as some of the people who owned the land 2,000 years ago therefore it belongs to me" isn't that convincing of a claim to me.

I'm going to become a Canaanite pagan re-constructionist and then everyone will have to hand Palestine over to me ?

 

[Ishraqiyun]

European born Zionist: I practice the same religion as the ruling party in Palestine did around 2,000 years ago therefore the land belongs to me.

Palestinian: Wait a minute, I've actually been living here. My parents as well , their parents before them .... we have all been living in Palestine.

Zionist: Yes, but they didn't practice the right religion. The religion that magically gives you ownership rights.

Palestinian: Palestine was also under the domination of Muslim rulers for centuries so couldn't I , using the same logic, also demand that my religion gives me ownership rights as well ?

Zionist: No because it didn't happen in the special privileged time frame that "my people" owned it.

Palestinian: Seems rather arbitrary. What makes that time frame the privileged one?

Zionists: God said so.

Palestinian: Nope, God just told me otherwise. He said it belongs to me.

Zionist: It only counts when I say it .

 

[child of Jesus]

hehehe....good one
Ishraqiyun
ΚΥΚΛΟΥ ΛΗΞΑ

except the religion practised by the vast majority of religious jews in ZionLand (most are secular or atheist) is BABYLONIAN TALMUDISM, and so even more so negates any right they have to anything based on that.

in fact it makes them Pharisees, and idolators.
and antichrist according to St John.

 

[listed]

can Christian Zionism rightly be said to be a denomination?

what specific doctrines would identify it as a sect?

I don't think so. I think it also goes by several other designations and is very common in many church denominations. There may be a groupg that call themselves what you ask though.

 

[listed]

European born Zionist: I practice the same religion as the ruling party in Palestine did around 2,000 years ago therefore the land belongs to me.

Palestinian: Wait a minute, I've actually been living here. My parents as well , their parents before them .... we have all been living in Palestine.

Zionist: Yes, but they didn't practice the right religion. The religion that magically gives you ownership rights.

Palestinian: Palestine was also under the domination of Muslim rulers for centuries so couldn't I , using the same logic, also demand that my religion gives me ownership rights as well ?

Zionist: No because it didn't happen in the special privileged time frame that "my people" owned it.

Palestinian: Seems rather arbitrary. What makes that time frame the privileged one?

Zionists: God said so.

Palestinian: Nope, God just told me otherwise. He said it belongs to me.

Zionist: It only counts when I say it .

Sounds bout right and as good as anything I've ever heard.

 

[Incariol]

Yeah, Zionism is scary. Used to believe it until I actually stopped and thought about what I was endorsing and realized it was cattle feces...

 

[PaladinValer]

can Christian Zionism rightly be said to be a denomination?

No. It is a theology, and a terrible one at that.

what specific doctrines would identify it as a sect?

It is a doctrine, not a sect.

It is also false, racist, anti-Christian, unorthodoxy, and a load of hateful lies.

 

[mathetes123]

No. It is a theology, and a terrible one at that.



It is a doctrine, not a sect.

It is also false, racist, anti-Christian, unorthodoxy, and a load of hateful lies.

Does God keep His promises?

 

[PaladinValer]

Does God keep His promises?

Of course. Unfortunately, the Jews are no longer His People since they absolutely rejected Him Incarnate.

Israel the country has no place in Christian theology. Dispensationism is a racist, hateful pit of lies originating only in the 19th century from an excommunicated, apostate, and defrocked Anglican priest.

Israel is the Holy Church, and all the baptized are members of her. The theocratic country of Israel could be wiped off the map once again and it would mean absolutely nothing for orthodox Christians.

Perhaps it should with how they treat their own fellow citizens...personally, perhaps a new mandate is required for it and Palestine.

 

[Prayer Circle]

I admit I never heard of Zionism in the context of Christian Zionism, before now.

I found this, if it helps as seemingly an all encompassing source on the topic.

I've not read enough myself, given the source, to comment further.

 

[mathetes123]

Of course. Unfortunately, the Jews are no longer His People since they absolutely rejected Him Incarnate.

Israel the country has no place in Christian theology. Dispensationism is a racist, hateful pit of lies originating only in the 19th century from an excommunicated, apostate, and defrocked Anglican priest.

Israel is the Holy Church, and all the baptized are members of her. The theocratic country of Israel could be wiped off the map once again and it would mean absolutely nothing for orthodox Christians.

Perhaps it should with how they treat their own fellow citizens...personally, perhaps a new mandate is required for it and Palestine.

Replacement theology cannot be reconciled with biblical prophecy. God does not break His promises.

 

[PaladinValer]

Replacement theology cannot be reconciled with biblical prophecy. God does not break His promises.

Unless your prophesy isn't Biblical to begin with, which is the case.

 

[mathetes123]

Unless your prophesy isn't Biblical to begin with, which is the case.

Upon what scriptures do you base your understanding that the church has replaced Israel?

 

[PaladinValer]

Upon what scriptures do you base your understanding that the church has replaced Israel?

Other than the fact that the Jews rejected His Salvation? Anyone with an honest interpretation who actually reads them in context will come to the correct conclusion as the Church has for 2,000 years.

Dispensationalism is nothing more than another corruption of Holy Writ, resurrecting another heresy long condemned and warping it even further to greater ugliness.

Read St. Justin the Martyr, who proves that the Church believed that the Church to be the True Israel since Apostolic times.

All Jews are among those in the gravest of danger of hell due to their non-Christian religion. God isn't a respecter of persons. That includes Jews.

 

[Knee V]

"Replacement Theology" is a misnomer. Orthodox Christianity maintains that all believers in the Incarnate God are Israel. There is no replacement of one group by another. Rather, there is a continuum of saints from the creation of mankind to the present. Even in the OT period of time, it was the true believers who were considered to truly be Israel. When there were only found a few thousand Israelites who had not bent the knee to Baal, there were at that time a sum total of a few thousand Israelites. Those who rejected God ceased being Israel. When God became incarnate, those Israelites who rejected Him ceased being Israelites, and those Gentiles who embraced Him became Israelites.

Although there may be a few people who mistakenly believe that there was some kind of "replacement" that went on, and although that is the stereotype that is fed by dispensationalists, that is not the historic orthodox Christian belief. It might be more accurate to call it "Continuum Theology", as that more accurately describes the belief.