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Christian west getting weak on Palestinina Islam problem??

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Let's make it clear: The West is more concerned over the suffering of Arabs than the Arabs' own governments or leaders. The West is desperate to get the Palestinians a state, while both Hamas and Fatah want only an independent country on their own terms, no matter how many dead bodies and material suffering that requires. Hamas wants total victory and Israel's eradication; most of Fatah merely wants an agreement to move that dream closer to reality.
Why is this? Because they:
• think they are winning;
• fail to comprehend the concept of compromise;
• embrace a culture of patience in which steadfastness wins versus what they perceive to be a Western culture of instant gratification;
• use militancy as a demagogic substitute for peace or prosperity, a reason why the dictator must be supported and the terrorist is a hero;
• understand that he who says no gains bargaining leverage;
• hold such extreme goals that they cannot be satisfied by any conceivable deal with Israel, America, or the West.
But why, then, is the West in general so desperate when it is doing pretty well and the other side is basically losing and losing out? There are many reasons for this also.
Some are eager to show their willingness to make a deal in order to keep their allies happy. Thus, Israel's government has to keep the US and Europe satisfied that it is doing its best. The US government wants to show the Europeans, Arab states and its own voting public that it is trying to conciliate enemies and resolve conflicts. THEN THERE is the fact that much of the West is genuinely afraid of war and violence. It has more to lose, after all. And it often does not understand extremism or the role ideology plays, thinking that soft words turn away wrath and you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1191257244341&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull
 

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Let's make it clear: The West is more concerned over the suffering of Arabs than the Arabs' own governments or leaders. The West is desperate to get the Palestinians a state, while both Hamas and Fatah want only an independent country on their own terms, no matter how many dead bodies and material suffering that requires. Hamas wants total victory and Israel's eradication; most of Fatah merely wants an agreement to move that dream closer to reality.
Why is this? Because they:
• think they are winning;
• fail to comprehend the concept of compromise;
• embrace a culture of patience in which steadfastness wins versus what they perceive to be a Western culture of instant gratification;
• use militancy as a demagogic substitute for peace or prosperity, a reason why the dictator must be supported and the terrorist is a hero;
• understand that he who says no gains bargaining leverage;
• hold such extreme goals that they cannot be satisfied by any conceivable deal with Israel, America, or the West.
But why, then, is the West in general so desperate when it is doing pretty well and the other side is basically losing and losing out? There are many reasons for this also.
Some are eager to show their willingness to make a deal in order to keep their allies happy. Thus, Israel's government has to keep the US and Europe satisfied that it is doing its best. The US government wants to show the Europeans, Arab states and its own voting public that it is trying to conciliate enemies and resolve conflicts. THEN THERE is the fact that much of the West is genuinely afraid of war and violence. It has more to lose, after all. And it often does not understand extremism or the role ideology plays, thinking that soft words turn away wrath and you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1191257244341&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull
Islam does not truly fear the current secular Israeli state for I can assure you that if Israel was a religious state then Islam would not exist. As far as the West is concerned they are on their own, not to mention that either they really fear Islam or they are just simply stupid and don't know how to deal with the issue properly. Israel does not need the United States, or anyone for that matter, to survive as no one but Israeli's have ever died for Israel but the West sees Israel as expendable for if Israel is lost the West feels that it would not be a major lose. Islam is afraid of true Torah Jews because they know that if Israel becomes a religious state that Islam, or at least the "Palestinians", will not have a prayer of surviving a war with Israel because Israel at that point would not show them any mercy, nor should they show them mercy at any time. If Europe does not destroy itself through its own stupidity then/or Islam will definitely destroy it so Europe is hopeless either way.
 
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Islam does not truly fear the current secular Israeli state for I can assure you that if Israel was a religious state then Islam would not exist. As far as the West is concerned they are on their own, not to mention that either they really fear Islam or they are just simply stupid and don't know how to deal with the issue properly. Israel does not need the United States, or anyone for that matter, to survive as no one but Israeli's have ever died for Israel but the West sees Israel as expendable for if Israel is lost the West feels that it would not be a major lose. Islam is afraid of true Torah Jews because they know that if Israel becomes a religious state that Islam, or at least the "Palestinians", will not have a prayer of surviving a war with Israel because Israel at that point would not show them any mercy, nor should they show them mercy at any time. If Europe does not destroy itself through its own stupidity then/or Islam will definitely destroy it so Europe is hopeless either way.

I think the US policies are hurting Israel.
Bush may think he is doing good but I think he is a well meaning puppet to bad advisors on pushing for a palestinian state.

http://foru.ms/showthread.php?p=39623419#post39623419
 
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