Christian voters

[Carey]

If you are not a Republican you may wanna be.

Check out Gov. Huckabee on creation on You Tube.

 

[TheFathersDaughter]

I get to be included in the next election so I can discuss in these threads. But I always thought that what party you claim to be in doesn't necessarily matter when you vote.

 

[bunced]

So you are suggesting electing someone into power who will have a say on life-or-death issues . . . based on their Creation viewpoint - and when they're not even a scientist?

Maybe I'm missing something important, but I always kind of thought the idea of a democracy is to vote for the candidate who had the best policies - and the best qualification to do the job, and you should be making your decision based on other factors - his Fiscal record for example . . . or the fact he publically made light of the Holocaust.

What will he do about crime? How will he reduce crime? What is his stance on Iraq? How will he help struggling families? What about the unemployed? What about immigration? How will he spend taxes? Will he stand up for those who are poor and oppressed? These are the issues that matter

Not on their origins world view. That's like me supporting the Monster Raving Loony party in the next election in the UK because one of the candidates happens to like Fish and Chips

 

[Carey]

I get to be included in the next election so I can discuss in these threads. But I always thought that what party you claim to be in doesn't necessarily matter when you vote.

Your political affiliation does not matter in the voting booth. You are right

 

[Carey]

So you are suggesting electing someone into power who will have a say on life-or-death issues . . . based on their Creation viewpoint - and when they're not even a scientist?

Maybe I'm missing something important, but I always kind of thought the idea of a democracy is to vote for the candidate who had the best policies - and the best qualification to do the job, and you should be making your decision based on other factors - his Fiscal record for example . . . or the fact he publically made light of the Holocaust.

What will he do about crime? How will he reduce crime? What is his stance on Iraq? How will he help struggling families? What about the unemployed? What about immigration? How will he spend taxes? Will he stand up for those who are poor and oppressed? These are the issues that matter

Not on their origins world view. That's like me supporting the Monster Raving Loony party in the next election in the UK because one of the candidates happens to like Fish and Chips

This man was also a former minister.
If his heart is with God he will make better decisions on all the issues you referred to.
But Anyone who denies God and his creation of everything that is will not be able to make wise decisions to lead our country.

 

[GutterRat]

But Anyone who denies God and his creation of everything that is will not be able to make wise decisions to lead our country.

Wait, wait, wait, wait - wasn't the the point of voting for Bush? Look how that turned out!?!

Christians need to stop voting for the guy who says, "I'm a christian - vote for me!" and start actually looking into the issues and the person.

ya know, the african-american community, for the most part (at least , it's "leadership") has aligned themselves w/ the democrats because they have been lead to believe that they (the dems) look after their interests. I see very little proof of this.
Same goes for Christians. They have been lead to believe that the republicans represent them & look after their interests - I see no proof of that. Esepcially w/ the current prez.

 

[Apollo Celestio]

Your vote dosen't matter in the voting booth. :/
Err, yay voting! (A "christian" president won't save our country.)

 

[artybloke]

I wouldn't vote for a heretic creationist or a heretic dispensationalist.

 

[jad123]

Wait, wait, wait, wait - wasn't the the point of voting for Bush? Look how that turned out!?!

Christians need to stop voting for the guy who says, "I'm a christian - vote for me!" and start actually looking into the issues and the person.

ya know, the african-american community, for the most part (at least , it's "leadership") has aligned themselves w/ the democrats because they have been lead to believe that they (the dems) look after their interests. I see very little proof of this.
Same goes for Christians. They have been lead to believe that the republicans represent them & look after their interests - I see no proof of that. Esepcially w/ the current prez.

Bush Bush Bush. Everyone hates Bush. Bush HAS done much for the conservative/Christian agenda and has NOT been a complete failure like so many want to believe. Has he messed up some, yep! Has done good, yep!

By Executive Order (EO), reversed Clinton's policy of not requiring parental consent for abortions under the Medical Privacy Act.

Upheld the ban on abortions at military hospitals.

Made $33 million available for abstinence education programs in 2004.

Supports the Defense of Marriage Act — and a Constitutional amendment saying marriage is between one man and one woman.

Expanded the role of faith-based and community organizations in after-school programs.

Signed two income tax cuts, one of which was the largest dollar-value tax cut in world history.

Reduced taxes on dividends and capital gains.

Signed trade promotion authority.

Provided $20 million to states to help people with disabilities work from home.

Increased the annual contribution limit on Education IRA's from $500 to $2,000 per child.

Killed the Kyoto Global Warming Treaty.

Established a $10 million grant program to promote private conservation initiatives.

Increased funding for low-interest loan programs to help people with disabilities purchase devices to assist them.

Pushed through THREE raises for our military. Increased military pay by more than $1 billion a year.

Saddam Hussein is now dead. His two murderous sons are dead. All but a handful of the regime's senior members were killed or captured.

And NO ATTACKS ON US SOIL SINCE 9/11

 

[Carey]

Bush Bush Bush. Everyone hates Bush. Bush HAS done much for the conservative/Christian agenda and has NOT been a complete failure like so many want to believe. Has he messed up some, yep! Has done good, yep!

By Executive Order (EO), reversed Clinton's policy of not requiring parental consent for abortions under the Medical Privacy Act.

Upheld the ban on abortions at military hospitals.

Made $33 million available for abstinence education programs in 2004.

Supports the Defense of Marriage Act — and a Constitutional amendment saying marriage is between one man and one woman.

Expanded the role of faith-based and community organizations in after-school programs.

Signed two income tax cuts, one of which was the largest dollar-value tax cut in world history.

Reduced taxes on dividends and capital gains.

Signed trade promotion authority.

Provided $20 million to states to help people with disabilities work from home.

Increased the annual contribution limit on Education IRA's from $500 to $2,000 per child.

Killed the Kyoto Global Warming Treaty.

Established a $10 million grant program to promote private conservation initiatives.

Increased funding for low-interest loan programs to help people with disabilities purchase devices to assist them.

Pushed through THREE raises for our military. Increased military pay by more than $1 billion a year.

Saddam Hussein is now dead. His two murderous sons are dead. All but a handful of the regime's senior members were killed or captured.

And NO ATTACKS ON US SOIL SINCE 9/11

Wow you are way smarter than the average bear...

 

[Celticflower]

Bush Bush Bush. Everyone hates Bush. Bush HAS done much for the conservative/Christian agenda and has NOT been a complete failure like so many want to believe. Has he messed up some, yep! Has done good, yep!

By Executive Order (EO), reversed Clinton's policy of not requiring parental consent for abortions under the Medical Privacy Act.

Upheld the ban on abortions at military hospitals.

Made $33 million available for abstinence education programs in 2004.

Supports the Defense of Marriage Act — and a Constitutional amendment saying marriage is between one man and one woman.

Expanded the role of faith-based and community organizations in after-school programs.

Signed two income tax cuts, one of which was the largest dollar-value tax cut in world history.

Reduced taxes on dividends and capital gains.

Signed trade promotion authority.

Provided $20 million to states to help people with disabilities work from home.

Increased the annual contribution limit on Education IRA's from $500 to $2,000 per child.

Killed the Kyoto Global Warming Treaty.

Established a $10 million grant program to promote private conservation initiatives.

Increased funding for low-interest loan programs to help people with disabilities purchase devices to assist them.

Pushed through THREE raises for our military. Increased military pay by more than $1 billion a year.

Saddam Hussein is now dead. His two murderous sons are dead. All but a handful of the regime's senior members were killed or captured.

And NO ATTACKS ON US SOIL SINCE 9/11

Isn't he the same guy who has also gotten us into 2 wars, one forgotten in Afghanistan and one unwinnable in Iraq? And why the heck was he so all fired eager to go after Saddam anyway? He had to lie to get us in there to fight his private vendetta against the man, and he hasn't stopped lying about why we are there and what we are doing. Isn't the national debt more than it was when he took office, after having been reduced by the previous administration? The guy who wants to endanger the fragile ecosystem of the arctic by opening a wildlfe reserve to oil drilling? And of course, we ALL know global warming is a figment of Gore's imagination. Tax cuts?? Didn't make a big difference in my taxes. Guess I just don't make enough to matter to Bush and his big money cronies.

Maybe he has done somethings right, but so does every man. Be balanced -- look at both sides of the ledgersheet before you pick up the Bush pompoms and start cheering.

 

[jad123]

Isn't he the same guy who has also gotten us into 2 wars, one forgotten in Afghanistan and one unwinnable in Iraq? And why the heck was he so all fired eager to go after Saddam anyway? He had to lie to get us in there to fight his private vendetta against the man, and he hasn't stopped lying about why we are there and what we are doing. Isn't the national debt more than it was when he took office, after having been reduced by the previous administration? The guy who wants to endanger the fragile ecosystem of the arctic by opening a wildlfe reserve to oil drilling? And of course, we ALL know global warming is a figment of Gore's imagination. Tax cuts?? Didn't make a big difference in my taxes. Guess I just don't make enough to matter to Bush and his big money cronies.

Maybe he has done somethings right, but so does every man. Be balanced -- look at both sides of the ledgersheet before you pick up the Bush pompoms and start cheering.

Bush has NOT gotten us into 2 wars. I find it sad that in todays fast food give it to me fast nation called the US we expect things to be dealt with in weeks or maybe months. Iraq is key to the long term stability of the region and of the US, I hope Bush goes after Iran before he is out of office just in case the left gets in . Let me ask you, have you ever been to that region? Have you ever personally seen how the US is treated and looked at by the Iraqi people or surrounding nations? I won't even discuss the falsehoods of that hypocrite named Al Gore. There is tons of evidence that climate change ( won't use global warming as the left has taken that out of its vocabulary since it is not true) is a natural occurrence and not man made. As for oil, this world works on oil, plain and simple. Dig away. We should be investing and researching legitimate means of alternate fuel but lets be realistic, oil is not going anywhere anytime soon. Wages for workers (not managers) has increased 3.9% since 1 year ago, the consumer confidence index is up (highest since June of 01). I am not cheering for Bush but I am not just bashing him because it the popular thing to do. I suggest you take your own advice and look at both sides. He has made mistakes and he has done things right. And hey no sex scandels anyway!!!!

 

[bunced]

The way the US is treated and viewed wouldn't have anything to do with the fact that they have been playing fast and loose with the Arab peoples for nearly 50 years now, would it? (and one of my major hobbies is modern middle Eastern history, so I do know what I am one about)

 

[Carey]

The way the US is treated and viewed wouldn't have anything to do with the fact that they have been playing fast and loose with the Arab peoples for nearly 50 years now, would it? (and one of my major hobbies is modern middle Eastern history, so I do know what I am one about)

Viewed by who??

Fast and loose??

 

[bunced]

Viewed by the majority of peoples in the the Middle East, as referenced in the last post.

And the Foreign policy of the United States for last 50 years in that region has been one of fast and loose, which even a cursory glance at Middle Eastern history will tell you

 

[artybloke]

Viewed by who??

Anyone with a brain (which obviously excludes most Yanks.)

 

[Carey]

Anyone with a brain (which obviously excludes most Yanks.)

You called me a yank???

I am a proud Southerner

Just kidding I know you call Americans that.

And noone has the power to get under my skin.

But really could you explain waht you meant?

 

[New_Wineskin]

If you are not a Republican you may wanna be.

Check out Gov. Huckabee on creation on You Tube.

There are other parties out there . If all christians switched to one of them , it would do much better . The Republicans are not better than Democrats . In some ways they are better . In other ways , they are much worse . They both sell their votes to each other for favors which cost the citizens a huge amount of money . The Republican christians should be the first to find ways of agreeing . But , they vote on party lines - just as the Democrats . They should be voting along what is best for the country and working *with* those of other parties who were *also* elected by the people .

Christian Repubolicans are looking sillier and siller and more and more stubborn on the most stupid of issues . They won't even hold others in their party accountable but ready to attack anyone outside of their party . Well , this is at least consistant with most christians as they won't hold their personal religious groups accountable but always complain about others .

 

[TheDag]

Killed the Kyoto Global Warming Treaty.

I'm confused are you saying this is a good thing? We are told in the bible that we are to be good stewards of this earth. I'm not sure ignoring Kyoto protocol is being a good steward so if your list is a list of good things then maybe this shouldn't be on there.

Saddam Hussein is now dead. His two murderous sons are dead. All but a handful of the regime's senior members were killed or captured.

The same Saddam Hussein they previously supported and helped arm. Just like they did with Osama Bin Laden and the Taliban!

And NO ATTACKS ON US SOIL SINCE 9/11

It would be easy to do a large scale terrroist attack on US soil if one wanted to. Maybe they just don't want to.




Just to comment on how the US is viewed by many Arab nations. Does that have anything to do with the US supporting Israel even when Israel was in the wrong?

Here is something else for you to think about. Bush promised open trade between the US and Australia in return for Australia's support in the "War on terror" (which apparently isn't actually a war!). However when it came down to it the US govt made all kinds of exceptions and kept restricted trade on a number of products which basically are all ones they would know Australia has to trade. Or in other words Australia has free trade on resources it doesn't have. That should give you a bit of an idea as to why there is often a anti-american sentiment in alot of countries.

 

[jad123]

I'm confused are you saying this is a good thing? We are told in the bible that we are to be good stewards of this earth. I'm not sure ignoring Kyoto protocol is being a good steward so if your list is a list of good things then maybe this shouldn't be on there.

Yes

The same Saddam Hussein they previously supported and helped arm. Just like they did with Osama Bin Laden and the Taliban!

Yes. Whats your point. Sit back and do nothing like the rest of the UN? Pathetic.

It would be easy to do a large scale terrroist attack on US soil if one wanted to. Maybe they just don't want to.

If you say so.

Just to comment on how the US is viewed by many Arab nations. Does that have anything to do with the US supporting Israel even when Israel was in the wrong?

Here is something else for you to think about. Bush promised open trade between the US and Australia in return for Australia's support in the "War on terror" (which apparently isn't actually a war!). However when it came down to it the US govt made all kinds of exceptions and kept restricted trade on a number of products which basically are all ones they would know Australia has to trade. Or in other words Australia has free trade on resources it doesn't have. That should give you a bit of an idea as to why there is often a anti-american sentiment in alot of countries.

Don't if if the world likes us or not. Not really into globalism.