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Romans 6:1-23 is talking about the spiritual death of someone that has been baptized into Christs death being raised to walk in newness of life and being dead to sin and the old man of the flesh.In that post I was talking about actual physical death and whether a person is able to believe at the very moment they take their last breath on earth.
So, you do believe then, that through the law you died unto the law, that you might live unto God, and that you have become dead to the law through the body of Christ?See previous posts from post # 126 linked, and post # 120 linked, your application to "dead to the law" is not biblical as shown when the context is provided in the linked posts. We are to be dead to the law for seeking our own righteousness but also dead to sin which is the transgression of the law and not believing and following what Gods' Word says according to the scriptures *1 John 3:4; Romans 14:23. All God's law does is to give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7 and is why Paul says that the law is holy just and good *Romans 7:12.
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Almost everyone in the church considers the “all” in Adam to be universal in scope, so it’s an iffy misstep to immediately switch from a universal all around Adam and death onto a restricted “all” for the all made alive in Christ.
The author was creating symmetry by repeated use of language and nearness of the whole construct, so whatever the first “all” means, the second all means something very similar.
I probably didn't explain it well.Romans 6:1-23 is talking about the spiritual death of someone that has been baptized into Christs death being raised to walk in newness of life and being dead to sin and the old man of the flesh.
It depends how your interpreting what the scriptures mean by "being dead to the law". The application in Galatians 2:19 as shown in post # 120 with scripture context is in seeking to be justified by the works of the law. God's law does not justify us. God's law only gives us the knowledge of good (moral right doing) and evil (moral wrong doing); sin (moral wrong doing) and righteousness (moral right doing) according to the scriptures *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Psalms 119:172. We cannot be justified by the law because we have all sinned and broken God's law *Romans 3:9-23. We live unto Christ according to Romans 6:1-23 by being dead to sin, being baptized into Christ death and resurrection to walk in newness of life and the death of the old man that lived His life of sin. Of course we are not dead to the law to obey Gods law as that would be a contradiction of the scriptures as not living in sin is what it means to obey God's law and walk in newness of life and holiness. All Gods' law does is to give us the knowledge of what sin is according to the scriptures.So, you do believe then, that through the law you died unto the law, that you might live unto God, and that you have become dead to the law through the body of Christ?
It doesn't really depend on how I'm interpreting it, I paraphrased directly from the scriptures, changing only "I" to "you" and other grammatical things like that. No added interpretation.It depends how your interpreting what the scriptures mean by "being dead to the law". The application in Galatians 2:19 as shown in post # 120 with scripture context is in seeking to be justified by the law. God's law does not justify us. God's law only gives us the knowledge of good (moral right doing) and evil (moral wrong doing); sin (moral wrong doing) and righteousness (moral right doing) according to the scriptures *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Psalms 119:172. We cannot be justified by the law because we have all sinned and broken God's law *Romans 3:9-23. We live unto Christ according to Romans 6:1-23 by being dead to sin and the old man that lived His life of sin not the law that gives us the knowledge of what sin is according to the scriptures.
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Never. Because for me only Gods' Word is true and we should believe and follow it over the teachings and traditions of men that lead many to break the commandments of God. My hope is that you will hear God's Word and flee from this false teachings of Universalism back to the scriptures and seek God for a knowledge of the truth of His Word which can alone save us all.
I probably didn't explain it well.
We are baptised into Christ's death, which is what saves us, as we die to ourselves, and our body will die, and as we have died with Christ, we will be raised with Him.
Then - the question would be - can a person be saved in the resurrection if they were never baptised? That if they, in this life, were not baptised into Christ's death, can they still, at their own physical death, be raised into life with Christ? This is the example of the thief on the cross - "you will be with me in paradise" - although at the time, Christ had not yet died, yet, he welcomed that man into His death.
Then - following on that - if it would be possible for a person to be saved through belief, without baptism, so that at the death of their body they could be raised in glory - would it be possible at the very last moment? Could a person be transformed in an instant, knowing that with the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day, could a person believe at the very last moment, and be saved?
And more to the point in relation to this topic, is it possible for all people?
This is why I say, I can't answer this with any sense of certainty.
But for the man or woman who believes at the moment of death, they wouldn't be able to show any fruit of that belief in this lifetime. I have seen criteria written - "he who believes and is baptised," "he who confesses with his mouth that Jesus is Lord and believes in his heart that God has raised Him from the dead," which would imply three things are required: belief, baptism, and confession of faith.This is not a difficult question. God's salvation is conditional on believing *John 3:16-21; Matthew 7:21-23; James 2:16-26 and following what God's Word says. Also we are only held accountable to God for what we know not what we do not know according to the scriptures *James 4:17; Acts of the Apostles 17:30-31; Hebrews 10:26-31.
Your response here...LoveGodsWord said: ↑ It depends how your interpreting what the scriptures mean by "being dead to the law". The application in Galatians 2:19 as shown in post # 120 with scripture context is in seeking to be justified by the law. God's law does not justify us. God's law only gives us the knowledge of good (moral right doing) and evil (moral wrong doing); sin (moral wrong doing) and righteousness (moral right doing) according to the scriptures *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Psalms 119:172. We cannot be justified by the law because we have all sinned and broken God's law *Romans 3:9-23. We live unto Christ according to Romans 6:1-23 by being dead to sin and the old man that lived His life of sin not the law that gives us the knowledge of what sin is according to the scriptures.
It was the scripture contexts I was trying to point out here in Galatians 2:19 as shown in post # 120 that defines the interpretation, meaning and application of what "dead to the law." I think you missed this point.It doesn't really depend on how I'm interpreting it, I paraphrased directly from the scriptures, changing only "I" to "you" and other grammatical things like that. No added interpretation.
Not really. If Universalism was true there was no need for Christ to die. Universalism makes a mockery of the death of God's dear son and counts the blood of the covenant an unholy thing doing despite to the Spirit of God's grace *Hebrews 10:26-31. God's salvation according to the scriptures is conditional to believing and following what God's Word says and we know what happened to the wicked at the second coming.
But for the man or woman who believes at the moment of death, they wouldn't be able to show any fruit of that belief in this lifetime. I have seen criteria written - "he who believes and is baptised," "he who confesses with his mouth that Jesus is Lord and believes in his heart that God has raised Him from the dead," which would imply three things are required: belief, baptism, and confession of faith.
But then, as you showed John 3:16 - "whoever believes on Him should not perish, but have eternal life" - this only has the requirement of belief.
So - at the very moment of death, when no baptism can be held, when no confession of faith can be spoken, there is this - The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent. - John 6:29.
So to hope that many people, if not all people, can believe at this moment, is a question we in this life can not answer with absolute certainty.
According to the scriptures though God's forgiveness is conditional and only given to those who believe and follow God's Word not to those who do not believe and follow Gods' Word *Exodus 20:6; John 14:15; John 15:10.Universal reconciliation, forgiveness for all, is only made possible by the shed blood and death of Jesus the Christ. You have a badly twisted view of UR, and yet you say we twist things. I say we un-twist things...things like your "...according to the scriptures..." which is misleading. Which version are you referring to? I keep reminding you that not all versions read the same, but you keep up the one scripture, one message line as if I has said nothing at all.
No Universalism takes it's doctrine from the father of lies first given in Eden in Genesis 3:1-5 where the serpent said to Eve if you break Gods' commandment you will not surely die. We need to be careful we do not fall for the same lies that Eve did.Actually Christian universalism is entirely reliant upon scripture. There's not any man-made doctrineal descriptions added to it that I've come across in many years of examining it. It didn't pop up somewhere along the way and wasn't started by anyone in particular.
Actually Christian universalism is entirely reliant upon scripture. There's not any man-made doctrineal descriptions added to it that I've come across in many years of examining it. It didn't pop up somewhere along the way and wasn't started by anyone in particular.
This is what I meant when I said that believing everyone could be saved would not make Christ's death meaningless, because if everyone believed at the moment of death, everyone could be saved, but they would be saved the same way we are, through Christ's incarnation, crucifixion, resurrection, and ascension.As posted in the post you are quoting from, it does not matter. As posted in the post you were quoting from God's salvation is conditional on believing *John 3:16-21; Matthew 7:21-23; James 2:16-26 and following what God's Word says. We are only held accountable to God for what we know not what we do not know according to the scriptures *James 4:17; Acts of the Apostles 17:30-31; Hebrews 10:26-31. Gods salvation begins when we believe. Afterwards as we grow in God's grace and the knowledge of His Word we need to walk with him in newness of life not giving up our faith and following him to the very end. If we only have today or now our salvation begins the moment we believe Gods' promise just like the thief on the cross.
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True but once again the point I was making earlier is that our salvation takes place before the second coming and is conditional on us believing and following what Gods' Word says before the second coming. There is no second chances once Jesus comes as His reward is with him according to the scriptures *Revelation 22:12. The wicked are those who choose to reject Christs free gift of grace and Gods' salvation in the sacrifice and blood of God's dear son. They reject Christs offering and death to pay the price for their sins and is why they must pay the price for their own sins and the wages of sin is death to those who reject the gift of Gods dear son *Romans 6:23.This is what I meant when I said that believing everyone could be saved would not make Christ's death meaningless, because if everyone believed at the moment of death, everyone would be saved, but they would be saved the same way we are, through Christ's incarnation, crucifixion, resurrection, and ascension.
No Universalism takes it's doctrine from the father of lies first given in Genesis 3:1-5.
Lord, have mercy.True but once again the point I was making earlier is that our salvation takes place before the second coming and is conditional on us believing and following what Gods' Word says before the second coming. There is no second chances once Jesus comes as His reward is with him according to the scriptures *Revelation 22:12. The wicked are those who choose to reject Christs free gift of grace and Gods' salvation in the sacrifice and blood of God's dear son.
Sorry I respectfully disagree. 1 Corinthians 15 does not stop anyone believing the false teachings that we can continue in a life of known unrepentant sin and receive everlasting life. That teaching is simply not biblical *Hebrews 10:26-31.From what I've seen over the years it's primarily based solely upon scripture. When it comes to Genesis 3, that's addressed in 1 Corinthians 15.
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