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Christian Universalism. What's not to like?

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So, what are the specific exegetical principles by which you've selected and hobbled together they bits and pieces from the Bible, SM? Is this "Omega Plan" you've given me in quick fashion representative of a 'Do-It-Yourself' method, or is it one that you learned from another source?
 
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IDK. Ages can be of differing lengths. But each has a beginning and end. For example, the ice age and the bronze age are both ages. Does my sentence claim that both are of the same length? (nope)
 
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Actually, that wasn't the locus of what I was even implying earlier. You've missed it by a mile. But, that's ok. I know that when you try to hit a target with a blind-fold on, speaking outside of your own field, you probably are going to miss the mark.
 
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What other reasons might there be for keeping 'repentance' in mind other than these?

I have to ask because 'my' reason by be something altogether different and because you assume you can read my mind, you therefore also jump to thinking that you know my reasons. The fact is, your response here has little or nothing (nothing really) to do with my points.

For my part, I simply value the idea of 'repentance' because 1) it seems to lead to more moral functioning in this life and, 2) since it's in the Bible, I then existentially encounter it and realize it's 'there' as a concept whether I like it or not (and I don't really like it), and that if I want to act coherently with the Christian faith, then I have to value and attempt to implement this spiritual measure in some way since it seems to be connected to 'pleasing the Lord.'

One thing I also not about this is that there were a lot of folks in the Old Testament who didn't repent. And from what I can tell in the O.T. narratives, they didn't fair so well in life.
 
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It's neither. It's just a descriptive statement that applies to all of us.

But then again, Skeptic that I am, you can feel free to question it and show me how wrong I am.
The posturing made your statement incomprehensible to me. But I didn't want to assume it was an insult. It might not have been.
 
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But, that's ok. I know that when you try to hit a target with a blind-fold on, speaking outside of your own field, you probably are going to miss the mark

Hermeneutics, as @Lazarus Short has already explained to you, simply means "interpretaion". That's something that's outside no-one's field. It's something we all do day in and day out in every area of our lives and it's nothing special. Unless you're claiming expertise in a specific field? If so, in what area? Please be specific...
 
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The posturing made your statement incomprehensible to me. But I didn't want to assume it was an insult. It might not have been.

Again, I'm not posturing. You guys might want to give that idea up before it backfires on you.

And no, my previous statement wasn't an insult. It was a matter of fact, with the implication being that since we ALL interpret what we read or hear in the interactions of human communication, then it can be said that we all either do our interpreting well or we don't do it well.

It's just what it is. Interpretation is to human communication what cold is to ice or heat is to a flame. It's just a part of reality whether we like it or not.
 
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Actually, formal Hermeneutics and Exegesis are outside a lot of people's "field." And being that we either do these things well or we don't, then like any other field, we either remain in a state where we're open to being educated in an ongoing matter (like in Math, for instance)....or we close ourselves off and remain in solipsistic boxes.

As for being an expert on Hermeneutics and Exegesis, I ain't. But that's not to also say that I'm not educated in related fields or that I don't rely upon those.... who are experts in Hermeneutics and Exegesis.
 
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There, now was that so hard to speak in plain English? (layman's terms)

But aren't you holding interpretation to some "learned" academic standard (Herman Nudists) from which you alone draw the "right" answer to the questions you drill us with?

You can cast a long shadow, but it's still only a shadow. We all know the source is smaller.

Or, a hot air balloon is big. But it only gets that way by being full of hot air. (as the name indicates)
 
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The posturing made your statement incomprehensible to me. But I didn't want to assume it was an insult. It might not have been.

I'm just as confused as you are.
 
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You may have to reiterate what you've said here and put it in laymen's terms for me, Steven. Because, I'm not quite getting the gist of what you're saying.

I'd rather err on the side of caution and say that even though it seems like you're imputing some kind of 'Gnostic crap' to my position, I'm wholly misinterpreting what you're say to me.

So, if you would be so kind, just clarify for me what you're intending to say.
 
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I'm just as confused as you are.
There's a refusal to put the cookies on the lower shelf. And then we are criticized for "hiding" behind the term "layman's terms". (sigh)
 
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Like two ships that pass in the night.
All my posts are in layman's terms. If I dumb it down any more, we'll be playing with the BIG Legos. - lol
 
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... it seems like you're imputing some kind of 'Gnostic crap' to my position...
Doesn't "Gnostic" mean knowledge? And isn't that what you are championing here? I didn't say "Gnostic" to you, but... if the shoe fits... you're Cinderella. - lol
 
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There's a refusal to put the cookies on the lower shelf. And then we are criticized for "hiding" behind the term "layman's terms". (sigh)

What do you consider to be an act of "placing the cookies on the lower shelf"?

I have a feeling that we both have different ideas and definitions as to what this would constitute. But, y'know, as fate has it, one of my favorite Christian philosophers has written an essay that seems to lean in your favor (not that I'm glad he does).
 
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As for being an expert on Hermeneutics and Exegesis, I ain't

Clearly not. If you were you would know that meaningful discussions can take place without an explicit reference to hermeneutics and exegesis.

For the umpteenth time, this thread is not about hermeneutics etc. It's about universal restoration and why people find the idea offensive. Please, please, please, and I say this with the tears gushing from my eyes like a clown's, try to stay on topic.
 
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But, y'know, as fate has it, one of my favorite Christian philosophers has written an essay that seems to lean in your favor (not that I'm glad he does).
Well... maybe should cut me some slack then. Sounds like I'm in good company. - lol
 
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There's a refusal to put the cookies on the lower shelf. And then we are criticized for "hiding" behind the term "layman's terms". (sigh)

What shelf the cookies are on isn't the problem. It's the ingredients of the cookies.
 
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