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I think that's a who AND where question.... Let's just focus on the point of the OP: How do we "know" who all will ultimately bow before the Lord and be thankful when doing so?
And I'm guessing there's no reason to put any of those on a pedestal. They're all fallible, right?Like I said, "hermeneutics" is just a fancy word for "interpretation". The times you addressed the word "aionios", you applied hermeneutics.
Hermeneutics = interpretation.
Exegesis = objective interpretation.
Eisegesis = subjective interpretation.
Right! And I have a gut-wrenching, visceral reaction when I hear people say "they know" this.
And I'm guessing there's no reason to put any of those on a pedestal. They're all fallible, right?
And it seems that an accusation of eisegesis is a rebuke to the interpreter.
I think sometimes people use words like that to sound more authoritative, credible, scholarly etc. But it just comes down to someone's take on something. Accusing someone of eisegesis is the equivalent to saying "you're making **** up".
The recent exchanges proves to me that Christian universalism is not only about the restoration of all humanity, it's also about the restoration of common sense
I watched a movie about the Salem witch trials the other day. Fear of hell was portrayed as a key component in Puritanism. Of course the church had the power to excommunicate which meant that's where one was headed if that happened.
I watched a movie about the Salem witch trials the other day. Fear of hell was portrayed as a key component in Puritanism. Of course the church had the power to excommunicate which meant that's where one was headed if that happened.
Was that Arthur Miller's "The Crucible" by any chance?
It's the same old spiritual terrorism that's marred human history. The endless stream of hobgoblins used by the political class to secure the compliance of the masses. The devil and his kingdom of fear, that rotten fruit.
What I'd like to know is...what is the difference between a "hobgoblin" and a mere goblin?
In similar fashion, we have "hell," aka hel, helle, hella, hille, hella, hellja, heljar and halja. The 1611 KJV has "hel" and "hell." "Beowulf has "hell," "hel" and "hella." Since "Beowulf" is set in Denmark, it is logical to look to the mythology of the pagan Norse and Danes for the origins of "hell." This easily found in the personage of "Hel," a goddess or ogress who was said to rule over her afterlife realm of "Helheim" (House of Hel). It was said to be where you went for eternity if you failed to die in battle and thus did not rate going to Valhalla. The threat of damnation goes all the way back, and it is not a pretty picture.
Again, about UR, what's not to like?
It's the perfect simplicity of deductive logic: God can save all, He wants all saved, ERGO...
Perhaps UR is for ppl who are poor in faith. Because it takes a bucket load more faith to persist with the illogical and arbitrary angry volcano god of limited atonement and ECT.
For those with such abundant faith, UR must seem like 'surely more is required'. Well I'm weak, so I figure our walk is challenging enough without heaping on extra dogmatic burden!
And I'm guessing there's no reason to put any of those on a pedestal. They're all fallible, right?
And it seems that an accusation of eisegesis is a rebuke to the interpreter.
What I'd like to know is...what is the difference between a "hobgoblin" and a mere goblin?
In similar fashion, we have "hell," aka hel, helle, hella, hille, hella, hellja, heljar and halja. The 1611 KJV has "hel" and "hell." "Beowulf has "hell," "hel" and "hella." Since "Beowulf" is set in Denmark, it is logical to look to the mythology of the pagan Norse and Danes for the origins of "hell." This easily found in the personage of "Hel," a goddess or ogress who was said to rule over her afterlife realm of "Helheim" (House of Hel). It was said to be where you went for eternity if you failed to die in battle and thus did not rate going to Valhalla. The threat of damnation goes all the way back, and it is not a pretty picture.
Again, about UR, what's not to like?
It's much more than that - have a read through Matt 23 in particular. Jesus is condemning them for their self-righteousness, which includes the notion that they're more worthy than the average folk. It's the 'Grace for me, but not for thee' attitude that snakes into the church in the first Judaising heresy, for which Paul rebukes Peter. All part of the same thing, the 'gospel of the accursed', which is now a firm fixture thanks to ECT and limited atonement.
If God wants all to be saved and come to a knowledge of the truth, and has promised by oath/ covenant no less than 3 times that every tongue will freely confess (Isa 45:23, Rom 14:11, Phil 2:10), and that He will be 'all in all' (this is the true gospel according to Paul in 1 Cor 15:1-28) - who are we to start watering it down, diminishing the work of the cross?
The recent exchanges proves to me that Christian universalism is not only about the restoration of all humanity, it's also about the restoration of common sense
I think sometimes people use words like that to sound more authoritative, credible, scholarly etc. But it just comes down to someone's take on something. Accusing someone of eisegesis is the equivalent to saying "you're making **** up".
That might be the case IF there was such a thing as 'common sense.' But thousands of years of philosophy, human stupidity and downright idiocy have pretty much ripped a gashing hole in that idea.
So, you might have to 'base' your restoration on something else.
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