Christian Universalism. What's not to like?

Der Alte · Nov 20, 2021

Hmm said:
Us universalists don't believe in torturing anything, including logical arguments.

A blasphemous false inflammatory accusation. You sound like all those folks condemning Rittenhouse. Unless you can show me where any substantial number of those who believe Jesus when He said "eternal punishment," ever used the word "torture?"
"Aionios" means "eternal,""ever lasting" etc. and "Kolasis" means "punishment." I have conclusively proved it from scripture alone, dozens of times, but that goes counter to the UR mantra so they will not accept it.

Hmm · Nov 20, 2021

Der Alte said:
A blasphemous false inflammatory accusation. You sound like all those folks condemning Rittenhouse. Unless you can show me where any substantial number of those who believe Jesus when He said "eternal punishment," ever used the word "torture?"
"Aionios" means "eternal,""ever lasting" etc. and "Kolasis" means "punishment." I have conclusively proved it from scripture alone, dozens of times, but that goes counter to the UR mantra so they will not accept it.

What does ECT stand for then?

Der Alte · Nov 20, 2021

Hmm said:
What does ECT stand for then?

ECT is a pejorative reference concocted by the Hell no! crowd as an insult to those of us who actually believe the Bible. Do you know how "aionios kolasis" is translated in the Eastern Greek Orthodox Bible translated by native Greek speaking scholars? Greek has been the language of that church for at least 2000+ years. We say eternal punishment just as it is written.

ozso · Nov 20, 2021

Major1 said:
Then that is a good thing and you are not hearing anything different that would confuse you,

The only ones who confuse me here are the self proclaimed prophets who have developed their own personal way of interpreting scripture and use a lot of cryptic language.

ozso · Nov 20, 2021

Major1 said:
Very very true which is why I refuse to talk about it.

Yes......I agree. When YOU reject Scripture then you are are rejecting God. I am sure you have heard that because it is Scripturally valid.

I am not concerned that you do not accept me an an authority and may I say that the feeling is mutual. Actually I am nothing more than an old fashioned country boy who learned a long time ago to simplify the word of God so that even the smallest could understand it.
However....that is a personal comment which should not be placed into this discussion.

Why even bring it up? Especially when you're going to refuse to elaborate.

So anyone who disagrees with YOU, is rejecting scripture and rejecting God. That's what you're really saying. Only your interpretation and doctrine is scripturally valid.

ozso · Nov 20, 2021

Major1 said:
I also believe that the judgment is AFTER death MAXX because that is exactly what the Scriptue says I posted for you.

Rev. 20:12
“And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne” .

Matt. 25:41.......
, “Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire which is prepared for the devil and his angels”.

Everlasting Fire! A lake that burns with fire and brimstone!! Furthermore he said, in Matt. 25:30......
“There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth”.

How long will that punishment last? Christ stamped the word “eternal” upon the duration of the sinner’s punishment in Matt. 25:46.....
“And these shall go away into eternal punishment: but the righteous into eternal’ life”.

Eternal punishment for the wicked and eternal reward for the saints of God.

You can debate with me all you want and come up with every excuse you can think up but none of it will dimmish the word of God.

It's not likely to diminish your understanding of the word of God. Which you yourself say is intentionally limited.

ozso · Nov 20, 2021

Der Alte said:
A blasphemous false inflammatory accusation. You sound like all those folks condemning Rittenhouse. Unless you can show me where any substantial number of those who believe Jesus when He said "eternal punishment," ever used the word "torture?"
"Aionios" means "eternal,""ever lasting" etc. and "Kolasis" means "punishment." I have conclusively proved it from scripture alone, dozens of times, but that goes counter to the UR mantra so they will not accept it.

What's the difference between torment and torture?

ozso · Nov 20, 2021

Der Alte said:
ECT is a pejorative reference concocted by the Hell no! crowd as an insult to those of us who actually believe the Bible.

Rubbish. I've heard John MacArthur and other preachers (usually Calvinists) say eternal conscious torment plenty of times.

Der Alte said:
Do you know how "aionios kolasis" is translated in the Eastern Greek Orthodox Bible translated by native Greek speaking scholars? Greek has been the language of that church for at least 2000+ years. We say eternal punishment just as it is written.

The EOB New Testament is a new translation of the official Greek Orthodox text called the Patriarchal Text of 1904. It is a scholarly, fully Orthodox, and easy to read version that aims at being the text of reference for personal study, devotions, and even liturgical use within among English-speaking Orthodox Christians. This translation features: - extensive footnotes to variants from other manuscripts and alternative translations

https://www.amazon.com/EOB-Orthodox-Testament-Patriarchal-extensive/dp/148191765X

Major1 · Nov 20, 2021

MMXX said:
It's not likely to diminish your understanding of the word of God. Which you yourself say is intentionally limited.

Nonsecular.

Major1 · Nov 20, 2021

MMXX said:
Why even bring it up? Especially when you're going to refuse to elaborate.

So anyone who disagrees with YOU, is rejecting scripture and rejecting God. That's what you're really saying. Only your interpretation and doctrine is scripturally valid.

NO. Anyone who rejects the written word of God is rejecting God.

Major1 · Nov 20, 2021

MMXX said:
The only ones who confuse me here are the self proclaimed prophets who have developed their own personal way of interpreting scripture and use a lot of cryptic language.

There is no such thing today as "Prophets".

ozso · Nov 20, 2021

Major1 said:
There is no such thing today as "Prophets".

That depends on what set of beliefs and doctrine one is subscribing to.

ozso · Nov 20, 2021

Major1 said:
NO. Anyone who rejects the written word of God is rejecting God.

Having an interpretation of the written word of God that differs from yours, does not amount to rejecting the word of God.

Major1 · Nov 20, 2021

MMXX said:
That depends on what set of beliefs and doctrine one is subscribing to.

No sir. The Bible is the complete word of God. As such there as no prophecies to be given.

Teaching...YES.
Prophecies.NO.

Before the canon of Scripture was complete, God used prophets to maintain order and teach correct doctrine. After the canon was completed, however, prophecy began to be more of a problem than a help.

ozso · Nov 20, 2021

Major1 said:
Nonsecular.

Christian UR isn't secular though.

ozso · Nov 20, 2021

Major1 said:
No sir. The Bible is the complete word of God. As such there as no prophecies to be given.

Teaching...YES.
Prophecies.NO.

Before the canon of Scripture was complete, God used prophets to maintain order and teach correct doctrine. After the canon was completed, however, prophecy began to be more of a problem than a help.

Where does it say that in the Bible?

Major1 · Nov 20, 2021

MMXX said:
Having an interpretation of the written word of God that differs from yours, does not amount to rejecting the word of God.

Correct. PLEASE do not follow me. Read the Scriptures and obey God for that is the command of God not me.

Differing from the word of God is rection of God.

Amos 2:4,
"...they have despised the law of the LORD, and have not kept his commandments...

2 Chronicles 36:16 .......
" But they mocked God’s messengers, despised his words and scoffed at his prophets until the wrath of the LORD was aroused against his people and there was no remedy.

Major1 · Nov 20, 2021

MMXX said:
Where does it say that in the Bible?

You have argued against and rejected every Scripture given to you. Why would this one be any different?????

Jude 3-4......
"Beloved, while I was very diligent to write to you concerning our common salvation, I found it necessary to write to you exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints. 4 For certain men have crept in unnoticed, who long ago were marked out for this condemnation, ungodly men, who turn the grace of our God into lewdness and deny the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ."

Major1 · Nov 20, 2021

MMXX said:
Christian UR isn't secular though.

It is not Biblical! It is a World view.

ozso · Nov 20, 2021

Major1 said:
You have argued against and rejected every Scripture given to you. Why would this one be any different?????

I've pointed out other possible interpretations of some scripture you've posted. An interpretation of scripture that differs from yours, does not amount to rejecting scripture.

Major1 said:
Jude 3-4......
"Beloved, while I was very diligent to write to you concerning our common salvation, I found it necessary to write to you exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints. 4 For certain men have crept in unnoticed, who long ago were marked out for this condemnation, ungodly men, who turn the grace of our God into lewdness and deny the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ."

I'm not seeing where Jude is saying what you said.

Major1 said: ↑
No sir. The Bible is the complete word of God. As such there as no prophecies to be given.

Teaching...YES.
Prophecies.NO.

Before the canon of Scripture was complete, God used prophets to maintain order and teach correct doctrine. After the canon was completed, however, prophecy began to be more of a problem than a help.

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